I see 400 posts in the other topic =)

*Stats websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k2_extrapolated.htm

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k3_extrapolated.htm

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

*Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

Creativename's Links Page:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

*Miscellaneous*

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updator:
http://sc2k4.com/update.php (add "?pollid=[4-digit poll number]" at the end of url to look at charts from past polls)

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=2

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=3

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=3

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
**Board 8 User of the Year 2004** ~^SCC GOD^~

How many will there be??
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Chaoskid111111: I am woman, hear me roar Ted is Tombs: i am man, hear me eat pancake
KolMartin

an infinite amount.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

*tag*

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"People who find that book intellectually challenging should try reading Dr. Seuss and really expand their horizons." - Toadvine, on the DaVinci Code

...and we may not hit 100 before 2005 =(
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

We're quickly catching up to the Home Run Contest topic. Don't want to start a race or anything, but we should be there relatively soon.
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Join the Revolver Ocelot Army

Bump?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

My refernce to Pac Man and the following comment were unrelated.

If you actually bothered to check, this only revealed a blatant double standard. You say fodder shouldn't be used as a measuring stick... THEN YOU GO AND USE FODDER AS A MEASURING STICK.

Genius.

Now, I don't think recency affects games from established franchises, such as Zelda or Metroid. It's games that obviously won't be as strong as they are when the fad is over, such as GTA or KOTOR or (maybe) Halo.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

I'll repeat this about Jill.

Seeing as Resident Evil hasn't had a new game for a long time, look at her seeds. 2K2 a 3, 2K3 an 11 (that's just unfair, she was the second strongest in her division last year), Spring Contest her game got a 13 and now she gets a 14. Jill might not even make it next year seeing as she didn't even make the top 32 in the stats.

We should get Claire back, she did well against 2K2 Tidus who was able to score 42% against Sonic.

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Lonely Angel
http://img100.exs.cx/img100/8121/MrTsTopTen_thumb.gif

New topic... and a new match to discuss!

(6) Alucard -
(11) Revolver Ocelot -

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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

(maybe) Halo.

That's a pretty damn big maybe.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

Alucard, without question.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #13, 5-1
Next game: Alabama Crimson Tide (5-2)

Alucard. Easily.

Ocelot doesn't have the "Snake" label to draw from. He can't be as close to the Twit Snakes as Alucard is.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

(6) Alucard -
(11) Revolver Ocelot -

Instinct would say Alucard with 60%+.
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Jon Thomson - nifboy > me
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Alucard.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

If you actually bothered to check, this only revealed a blatant double standard. You say fodder shouldn't be used as a measuring stick... THEN YOU GO AND USE FODDER AS A MEASURING STICK.

I DON'T think that Pac Man can be used as a measuring stick. I was pointing out that there WAS no measuring stick for Luigi and therefore no way to assume that he stayed the same.

Unrelated note of interest: Cloud Strife's lowest votes this contest was against none other than Sephiroth.

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I beg yer pardon, but Mario made Nintendo cool, rich, and everything else you could imagine. ~ Heroic Mario

It's a big maybe, but it's still a maybe.

Halo is going strong right now, but even Mario has shown to not be inamovible.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

Alucard without thinking, and probably a lost point.
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I beg yer pardon, but Mario made Nintendo cool, rich, and everything else you could imagine. ~ Heroic Mario

I'd think about it a bit, but I'd take Alucard. Now the match in my bracket, Ocelot vs DK, would be very tough to call. I'd take Ocelot in that one.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Now here's something to debate.

After the release of Halo 2, what could be the strength of Master Chief?
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Lonely Angel
http://img100.exs.cx/img100/8121/MrTsTopTen_thumb.gif

"Ocelot doesn't have the "Snake" label to draw from. "

I have no doubt Alucard will win this one, but are you saying that the only reason why Liquid became that strong in the contest was due to the 'Snake' part of his name?
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

You know, despite the flak Mario seems to get this generation Super Mario Sunshine is only a few thousand away from being the best selling GameCube title.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

Halo 2 could make MC > Frog
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

I have no doubt Alucard will win this one, but are you saying that the only reason why Liquid became that strong in the contest was due to the 'Snake' part of his name?

Probably. No side character (villain/supporting) is as close to his lead as Liquid is. Shadow's very close to Sonic as far as 2003 goes... I dunno what to make about the 2004 ones.

To make it short and sweet, the only non-clone villain/antagonist/etc. that was ever close to the hero was Sephiroth. And ironically, all clones fall (Liquid and Shadow) fall in that "very close" category.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

Halo 2 could make MC > Frog

It is possible. We will see a growth in MC's strength. However, due to Frog's showing this year, the bracket votes will probably be on his side now. Also, many that are buzzing about Halo 2 already have Halo, and have probably never played CT.

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Nominate Vincent Valentine for SC2K5.

Shadow's very close to Sonic as far as 2003 goes... I dunno what to make about the 2004 ones.

Mega Man-Tidus.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #13, 5-1
Next game: Alabama Crimson Tide (5-2)

That's the problem right there. I can't figure out for the life of me what happened there.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

I think the only reason Megaman did so well was the sheer willpower of Heroic Mario urging him on.
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Tidus underperformed massively. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #13, 5-1
Next game: Alabama Crimson Tide (5-2)

You know, despite the flak Mario seems to get this generation Super Mario Sunshine is only a few thousand away from being the best selling GameCube title.

I think that says more about Gamecube than about SMS...
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

"To make it short and sweet, the only non-clone villain/antagonist/etc. that was ever close to the hero was Sephiroth. "

How ironic. ***SPOILERS***



















Since the hero is kinda cloned from him. >_>
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

I think that says more about Gamecube than about SMS...

Well, you'll notice how SSBM gets no criticism as being the best selling GameCube title, but people seem to think Mario completely dropped this ball this generation. Now, when you look at last generation and what not it's understandable how 11.90 million to 4.19 million is quite a difference. The problem is the N64 sold ~33 million while the GameCube is at ~15 million, it also didn't lauch with the system. When you consider it came out a year after the GCN was released, wasn't a launch title, and came out during the summer of all times you do have to give SMS its credit for doing as well as it has.

It's a great game too.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

Yeah, but Shadow is a Sonic lookalike and the Snakes have similar names (Solid? Liquid?). Cloud and Sephiroth's actual storyline as far as cloning goes has nothing to do with Sephiroth's power.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

Tidus underperformed massively. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

And I still think your crazy for believing all of that was Tidus underperforming. If anything, I believe he dropped a few percentage points and then underperformed from that point. Then again, I also believe Mega Man increased a couple -- as he was on track to do prior to Mega Man/Link.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

He didn't show me any signs of increasing other than what he did against Tidus. He beat a weaker Snake by more than last year, and that's about it.

Honestly, it makes no sense for Tidus and Shadow both to be on the cusp of the Noble Nine and then to drop all the way down to the level of Yoshi nearly proportionally.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #13, 5-1
Next game: Alabama Crimson Tide (5-2)

The problem is the N64 sold ~33 million while the GameCube is at ~15 million

Speaking of that, Nintendo's consoles have been dropping more and more in terms of sales (~61 million for NES, ~50 million (??) for SNES), ~33 million for N64, and maybe hitting 20 - 25 million this generation)...

;_;
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

See, you completely missed what I had said. There's no way that Tidus/Shadow dropped that much, but I do believe they dropped from their 2003 value by a few percentages and then Tidus proceeded to underperform from that. But believing that Tidus underperformed that much is just as insane as anything else we could throw around.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

Speaking of that, Nintendo's consoles have been dropping more and more in terms of sales (~61 million for NES, ~50 million (??) for SNES), ~33 million for N64, and maybe hitting 20 - 25 million this generation)...

Nintendo had to face no competition in the days of the NES, had new competition in the days of the Genesis (~34 million), had a serious competitor in Sony, and now have two different people to compete against. It was more a matter of new people entering every year.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

He didn't show me any signs of increasing other than what he did against Tidus. He beat a weaker Snake by more than last year, and that's about it.

Well, the first match couldn't possibly be judged, his match against Tidus was impressive despite it not being all him, and beating Snake by 4% when Snake didn't even drop by that much says to me that Mega Man did increase some from the previous year. However, with Link/Mega Man screwing everything up we wouldn't know until next year if he did or not.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

Haven't we already decided that CATS is the best measuring stick?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
**Board 8 User of the Year 2004** ~^SCC GOD^~

Haven't we already decided that CATS is the best measuring stick?

He is supposed to be either the most consisent performer or second most consisent, yes.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

That's the thing, the competition is getting more fierce than ever before, with Microsoft in the equation.

As for Alucard vs. Ocelot, I'm also pretty comfortable in taking Alucard.
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Something has to fill this spot.

The competition is becoming tighter, but the market has also been expanding. You'd think they'd be able to hold onto more than that.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Alucard keeps getting stronger somehow.
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Alucard keeps getting stronger somehow.

He gets stuck in the worst spots to lose.
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I beg yer pardon, but Mario made Nintendo cool, rich, and everything else you could imagine. ~ Heroic Mario

Nintendo really dropped the ball this generation. It still makes me go "what the hell" though to see it at so few consoles sold.
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I beg yer pardon, but Mario made Nintendo cool, rich, and everything else you could imagine. ~ Heroic Mario

The competition is becoming tighter, but the market has also been expanding. You'd think they'd be able to hold onto more than that.

I'm not sure if it is sad or pathetic that they are getting doubled on a monthly basis by a complete newcomer.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Sony was a complete newcomer into the console deal as when they doubled Nintendo in final sales.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

Here's a list of the top 10 games this generation, but I couldn't find european numbers and some of these numbers are out dated (but not by more than a year)

Top 10 games this generation

1. Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire: GBA 9,199,546
2. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City: PS2 6,520,649
3. Grand Theft Auto 3: PS2 5,765,524
4. Gran Turismo A-Spec: PS2 4,969,309
5. Final Fantasy X: PS2 4,850,093
6. Super Smash Bros. Melee: GC 3,712,173
7. Halo: XB 3,605,443
8. Madden NFL 2004: PS2 3,402,131
9. Final Fantasy X-2: PS2 3,363,857
10. Kingdom Hearts: PS2 3,256,446

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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

1. Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire: GBA 9,199,546
2. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City: PS2 6,520,649
3. Grand Theft Auto 3: PS2 5,765,524
4. Gran Turismo A-Spec: PS2 4,969,309
5. Final Fantasy X: PS2 4,850,093
6. Super Smash Bros. Melee: GC 3,712,173
7. Halo: XB 3,605,443
8. Madden NFL 2004: PS2 3,402,131
9. Final Fantasy X-2: PS2 3,363,857
10. Kingdom Hearts: PS2 3,256,446

This generation sucks. I can see the other games selling well, but the bolded ones? Bah.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Here's a list of the top 10 games this generation, but I couldn't find european numbers and some of these numbers are out dated (but not by more than a year)

Pokemon is out of date. Nintendo confirmed that Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire sold through 12.78 million copies according to their press release March 31, 2004.

Tediz, I'm not sure why you highlighted Gran Turismo 3... Aren't those games supposed to be great?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

The Gran Turismo games are great. If I'd have chosen to buy a PS2 over a Cube, they would have been one of the reasons why.
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Jon Thomson - nifboy > me
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Many of those games aren't correct, but that's just becasue -- like he notd -- they lack European sales. Oh, and Madden rocks.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

arg!!

I can't find any good site that shows European sale figures
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

Hmm... how about this one?

(8) Vincent Valentine -
(9) KOS-MOS -

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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

Vincent, easily. There's no way he's a low as KOS-MOS.
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"I would much rather this get bloody, master, but it is your call." ~ HK-47
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/5504/NintendoDesktop.jpg

KOS-MOS is low?
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

*tag*
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

She's ranked 32nd in the 2k4 stats (24.82% on 2k3 Link), which would be awfully low for an FFVII character.
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"I would much rather this get bloody, master, but it is your call." ~ HK-47
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/5504/NintendoDesktop.jpg

I see... now how will Vincent perform in the second round?

(1) Mario -
(16) Earthworm Jim -

(8) Vincent Valentine -
(9) KOS-MOS -

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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

I don't think anybody would argue that Vincent is on the level of Mario, but you'll probably see estimates from 40% on up. Simply put, he's not worth wasting in an 8/9 or 7/10 match. Make him the low seed in a 4 pack and have him work to get to the Sweet 16.
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"I would much rather this get bloody, master, but it is your call." ~ HK-47
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/5504/NintendoDesktop.jpg

I think Vincent could upset Mario, but that's just me.
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

Vincent wouldn't touch Mario.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

Vincent is about equal to Shadow the Hedgehog.
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Why not just have Cloud vs Link for SC2K5, saves us a lot of trouble

I wish I could remember a certain instance where two characters who faced each other actually did change proportionally the next year (excluding things like the WDF)...too bad I can't remember.

Counting the WDF, is ranked lower in 2002 than in other years. I'm afraid CATS isn't so reliable...

If you still don't believe that the characters in the West Division were overrated in 2002 (or at the very LEAST, when compared to other divisions), take note that Ryu, Sonic, and Mega Man all "dropped" drastically from '02 to '03...now, from '03 to '04, Ryu, Sonic, and Mega Man all stayed basically same. Then, consider how well-established those three characters are.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Okay, if you adjust for WDF, Mario becomes the most consistent performer, with Knuckles in 2nd (by my stats).
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"I would much rather this get bloody, master, but it is your call." ~ HK-47
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/5504/NintendoDesktop.jpg

Charmander, your list is outdated and missing information.

Tediz, I find the Madden series fun. I've been playing it since the very first game.

And TRE showed us numbers that back up CATS as being the single most consistent performer. I'd like to see an Xst list with him used as the measuring stick.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
**Board 8 User of the Year 2004** ~^SCC GOD^~

Halo 2 could make MC > Frog

Definitely. I would almost guarantee it. Frog has nothing going for him anymore. I mean the theory, that I never really bought anyway, was since CT did well in spring people bought it, leading to a boost, but that's gone. Now that could be sort of rekindled with bracket votes, but I doubt it, or, not enough. Halo 2 has already, ALREADY, sold more than a million copies, and its not even out yet. And I think its fair to say that more new fans will play halo 2 than those that will see frog for the first time this year.
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

Is it possible that Magus,Ganon,Tidus are all overrated?

Have a look at this 4 pack from 2003

5 - Tidus - 57078
12 - Ganondorf - 58660

4 - Sam Fisher - 30866
13 - Magus - 60598

One thing all 4 of them have in common is that they all under-performed this year. In fact all 4 of them vastly under-performed this year.

IMO this suggests that Magus overperformed aganist Link in 2003. Perhaps by quite a bit.

So the poor performance of Ganon and Magus may not be entirely SFF and it does put the defeats of Tidus and Sam in context

To believe this theory you must accept that Shadow gained Mario anti votes and that Alucard dropped in popularity.

Another thing to back this up would be that in 2002 Tidus at his peak got 42% aganist Sonic. According to the X-Stats in 2003 Tidus would get 49% aganist Sonic. Something seems a bit off.

According to the unadjusted X-stats for 2004 Tidus would get 35% on Sonic.Perhaps MM did suffer SFF but we would still be looking at Tidus getting around 40% on Sonic. This seems realistic given that the hype around his game has died down.

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*Smurf*

Another thing to back this up would be that in 2002 Tidus at his peak got 42% aganist Sonic. According to the X-Stats in 2003 Tidus would get 49% aganist Sonic. Something seems a bit off.

Sonic dropped, didn't he? Went from ~40% on Link to ~34% on him...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

WDF(west division factor) Sonic dropped a little but 6%. I would say he would get about 37% on Link in 2002 and 34% in 2003

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There are 3 types of people in this world. Those who can count and those who can't

I remember people have been talking about Starcraft having a better seed next year (or a proper seed - 3 seed, probably). I'm not so sure that will happen... It can probably get in more easily because of board support, which I think it still has even after the cheating incident. But even then, I'm not sure Starcraft could pull off much better than a 7 or 8 seed through the nominations alone, and I doubt Ceej would change SC's seed just because of its performance. He did leave Aeris as an 11 seed two years in a row, even though she was clearly much better than that.

Does anyone else feel like it isn't too likely that SC would actually pull off the seed it deserves?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

That's why CJayC tweaking with the seeds is not a bad idea. He just needs to do it properly, unlike SC2K4.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

I think Cloud over-performed against Sonic...but not much. I'd give Sonic 35% on Link.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2005
Currently sig-hunting. Beware, you may be next.

To believe this theory you must accept that Shadow gained Mario anti votes and that Alucard dropped in popularity.

Precisely why I don't believe that this is the case. Mario antivotes are a myth, and adjusted Kirby (through Squall) and unadjusted Bomberman rose almost exactly as much as adjusted Alucard.
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"I would much rather this get bloody, master, but it is your call." ~ HK-47
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/5504/NintendoDesktop.jpg

I find madden to be fun, but i only buy it every other year.

can't let EA milk the cash cow TOO much, now can I?

now, as for milking a cash cow, i'm going to line up a really hard stare at the Tony Hawk series...


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I think SC will probably get around a 6. It might be lower, but I doubt it. It will get a lot more nominations this Spring.

I noticed nobody disputed my bolding of FFX-2 >_>
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Taking a look at today's poll as well as yesterday's, it looks as though more people preordered Halo 2 than GTA:SA, but more people are intending to get GTA:SA overall.

Halo 2 may not do as many miracles as I thought it could in contests, because today's poll falls in line with what we've seen for the last three years on this site: X-Box fanboys are few and far between, but they're as rabid as they come, and on the other side there's the majority which just doesn't give a crap.
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I think Halo 2 is gonna help increase the number of X-Box owners/supporters who come to GameFAQs, thus making those polls somewhat less accurate. Just a theory that likely can't be proven under most circumstances though.
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Halo 2 may not do as many miracles as I thought it could in contests, because today's poll falls in line with what we've seen for the last three years on this site: X-Box fanboys are few and far between, but they're as rabid as they come, and on the other side there's the majority which just doesn't give a crap.

Slow, you've gotta be kidding... If you honestly think that Halo 2 WON'T give MC any increase... I mean come on... He doesn't need a MASSIVE increase either. Just a decent one.
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With a fortunate placement next year (I'm talkin' facing Sonic/Snake in Sweet Sixteen, probably Sonic) and a lil' luck, Master Chief COULD have a shot at making the Elite Eight next year.
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Call me blind, but I would still have trouble picking Sonic over MC to be honest. V_V I would have to bring myself to in the end though. I mean, Microsoft stold Sega's famed day vote...
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Slow, you've gotta be kidding... If you honestly think that Halo 2 WON'T give MC any increase... I mean come on... He doesn't need a MASSIVE increase either. Just a decent one.

He didn't say "no increase"; he said it may not do as many miracles as he expected.
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He didn't say "no increase"; he said it may not do as many miracles as he expected.

Well I don't see how he won't get a nice hefty boost, to be honest.
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If nothing else, there'll be more sites spamming for Master Chief if he doesn't get any boost on his own here...but I can guarantee that Master Chief will get an honest boost of his own next year.
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Sony was a complete newcomer into the console deal as when they doubled Nintendo in final sales.

Make that tripled. PSX broke 100 mil.
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Call me blind, but I would still have trouble picking Sonic over MC to be honest.

*notices that you picked Sonic to lose in Rd2 and Master Chief to win*

~_~
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*notices that you picked Sonic to lose in Rd2 and Master Chief to win*

~_~

He picked Master Chief to beat Frog which after a 7 vote difference, doesn't seem all that bad...
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Make that tripled. PSX broke 100 mil.

That wasn't until recently.
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*notices that you picked Sonic to lose in Rd2 and Master Chief to win*

Heh. Mumei already justified my MC pick exactly how I would have. As for picking Sonic to lose... I needed an upset special.
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Heh. Mumei already justified my MC pick exactly how I would have. As for picking Sonic to lose... I needed an upset special.

I picked Sonic to lose myself, although I wanted desperately to be able to change that. ;_;
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I supported from the very beginning the idea that Frog/MC would be a barn-burner and was up for grabs. No shame in picking MC there.
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The fact remains that history has shown that you overestimated Master Chief and underestimated Sonic.
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The fact remains that history has shown that you overestimated Master Chief and underestimated Sonic.

No. History has shown that I underestimated Frog and overestimated Street Fighter Anniversary Collection's effect on Ryu.
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Did you seriously pick Ryu over Sonic on the basis of SF:AC? >_>
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Did you seriously pick Ryu over Sonic on the basis of SF:AC? >_>

HM thought Mega Man could win it from MM:AC so I don't see why your surprised

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Yeah, he's the only one who really believed that, too. Even so, it made more sense than expecting SFAC to do that considering it came out 2 weeks before the match.
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The Street Fighter is the most consistent performer of the three contests.
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The Street Fighter is the most consistent performer of the three contests.

Didn't he go down a bit in 2003? >_> <_<
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Quite a bit, actually. He's not even close to being the most consistent.
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I was not basing it SOLELY on SFAC. I was also taking into account that the site change made us lose casuals and Sega WAS the king of the day vote. This year they were not so that assumption proved to be right. But the problem was, it didn't do as much as I'd hoped. Also, as you can guess, if the site HADN'T changed, I'd expect Master Chief to have beaten from with 51%.
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Hey, MMAC was more than a great reason, in thought, for Mega Man to win the contest. Released on both the PS2 and GCN right before the contest started, contained Mega Man's best titles, etc. Heck, was looking great up until his match against Zero and from there it just went down.
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Hey, MMAC was more than a great reason, in thought, for Mega Man to win the contest.

I'm not so sure it was; it sold only 350,000 copies and you were expecting a KH-like boost. And besides that, you thought that because Capcom's goal was to introduce Mega Man to a new audience, that was what the game was doing. I'm not so sure. I think the game was primarily bought by people who were already fans...

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Yeah, but then there was the whole thing about the fact that it was probably mostly bought by people who were already fans of the games, regardless of how much Capcom advertised toward new fans.
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I'm not so sure it was; it sold only 350,000 copies and you were expecting a KH-like boost.

I'm talking about June-July, when the game was initially released. It was about mid-June that I had in my mind I was picking Mega Man to win the contest.

And besides that, you thought that because Capcom's goal was to introduce Mega Man to a new audience, that was what the game was doing. I'm not so sure. I think the game was primarily bought by people who were already fans...

For the most part, it seemed as if fans of the series were the one's who bought the game. I still believe Mega Man went up some despite how the rankings have him as staying the same. Up until the match against Link he was set for a small boost.
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Yeah, we all bought the idea of a small boost. Just what you were expecting was flat-out ridiculous.
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And I definitely think Mega Man got essentially SFFed against Link. They basically do have the same fanbase...
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Seeing how Mega Man and Link are my #1 and #3 favorites (respectively), I can believe they share a similar same fanbase (but certainly not sharing the whole fanbase)...oh, and considering how more people had Link winning the championship than Mega Man getting out of the Elite Eight, I'd say that made a difference.
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Who would you take between Mario and Mega Man?
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I used to think Mega Man, but I now think Mario. I'd vote for whoever's losing in the match though.
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From the looks of it, Mario would probably be able to put up a win over Mega Man. I'd vote for whoever was losing.
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Considering what Link did the Mega Man, I'd have to go with Mario. I'm not sure who I'd pick in Crono/Mega Man, though.
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I REALLY can't see Mega Man getting SFFd by Link if Mario and Samus supposedly didn't. I'd pick Mario or Crono over Mega Man, and vote for them too. =p
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It depends on if MMX8 has a big effect on MM, but who knows. I'd probably pick Crono > Mega Man > Mario at this point.
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I'd pick Mega Man over Crono, myself.
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Something happened in Mega Man/Link, or else Snake is weaker than Bowser and on par with Alucard, the Frog trio would lose to Sora, and Knuckles would lose to KOS-MOS.
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I'd also pick Mario and Crono over Mega Man. He's got no stable support at all, just the casual backing and name recognition to thoroughly dispose of fodder. I had a feeling that would be the case with him earlier, but I wasn't fully convinced until his match with Zero.
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He's got no stable support at all, just the casual backing and name recognition to thoroughly dispose of fodder.

He can beat plenty of people who aren't fodder and beat them convincingly. He's ousted Solid Snake twice, disposed of Tidus, did just as well as Mario did against Sephiroth last year, took out Zelda, etc.

He's more than capable of defeating high level characters and putting up the same numbers as someone like Mario against a common opponent.
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He can beat plenty of people who aren't fodder and beat them convincingly. He's ousted Solid Snake twice, disposed of Tidus, did just as well as Mario did against Sephiroth last year, took out Zelda, etc.

Snake's in the same boat as MM, but just a bit farther down the ladder. Also, he (Snake) decreased this year, as evident by his match with Knuckles. I will say, however, that MM had many impressive performances, even though I do think he beat a weakened Tidus.

He's more than capable of defeating high level characters and putting up the same numbers as someone like Mario against a common opponent.

I never said he can't put up great numbers against midcarders and even upper tier characters. However, most statistical evidence tells (or told) us that he'd beat both Mario and Crono. However, in a direct match, I just don't see that happening.
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However, most statistical evidence tells (or told) us that he'd beat both Mario and Crono. However, in a direct match, I just don't see that happening.

The only reason I couldn't see Mega Man beating Mario was because of what happened in Link/Mega Man. Initially I was against the idea that they shared a common fanbase, but maybe he is more of a Nintendo character so to speak over a Capcom one. Sure, we know what company made and what company still makes him but if he's strength comes prominently from the more Nintendo fanbase...

It's like that except I could see it happening moreso. Mario and Mega Man are both platformer characters, both Icons, both entered into the industry in the 80's, both had titles on the NES, and Mega Man has his most popular games on a Nintendo console. MMX4-MMX8 is on Sony's. Aside from other titles like the Genesis and Saturn his mainstream titles are resident on a Nintendo console.

So, as you could see when it's like that I can't help but figure Mario gather any votes from Mega Man that he might've gotten in any other match. They are far to similar as characters. In a match against Crono, however, I would certainly take Rock over the spiky headed hero.
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You summed up my feelings on Mario vs. Mega Man perfectly. However, our disagreement lies with Crono; my gut just tells me to go with him. Either way, it would be a very interesting match that I'd love to see.
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I think his support is there, but much like in a lot of "SFF" matchups he could potentially lose all of that support against a heavier ranking Nintendo character. Who knows...

A lot of great matchups should be setup next year though. So many options.
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Let's hope Ceej surprised us with some mad bracket making skills.
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Man, I really wish CJay didn't have those "legal and ethical reasons" that kept him from letting us have a say in the bracket next year. I have faith in him making a better bracket, but I don't have faith in him making a bracket as good as it could be.
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i'd put mega over crono and mario both.

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I'd feel better about putting Mega Man over Crono than Mario...but now, I don't think I could bring myself to do it. That would be a vicious match.
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Perhaps it's just me being hopeful, but I'd pick Mario over Sonic, Mega Man, and probably even Samus. Mega Man vs. Crono is a tough one, though. I think I'd go with Crono, but it's a difficult choice.

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For some reason, Crono is getting stronger every year. Heck, Magus might even have increased, but we'll never know because of SFF. I'd have no problem taking Crono over Mega Man after his impressive performance against Mario this year.
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Heck, Magus might even have increased, but we'll never know because of SFF.

One could say the same thing of Mega Man.
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It's a lot easier to figure out Mega Man than it is to figure out Magus. We just have to assume Magus is static. We can at least make a logical deduction of where the Blue Bomber stands, and it looks pretty accurate to me.
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Hm. Haven't been following these in a while.

Did Ceej ever get back to you guys?

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Yeah, he said he couldn't let us do the bracket ourselves because of some legal technicalities.
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Crono completely owned Mario...what makes anyone think Mega Man would lose to Mario, yet beat Crono? (Of course, that's only for this year.)

I think Samus vs. Crono could be a good match...Samus only beat Sonic 57/43, after all. I don't think it's completely out of the question that Crono might actually be quite a bit ahead of Mega Man.

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Yeah, he said he couldn't let us do the bracket ourselves because of some legal technicalities.

Damn, that bracket would have been awesome... oh well!

On a completely unrelated note, an OoT question...which temple comes fourth, Shadow or Spirit? I think Navi pushes us towards Shadow before Spirit and Sheik presents them in Forest/Fire/Water/Shadow/Spirit order but I realized this afternoon that the medaillions are the other way around. HM probably knows which way is the right way...=)

And to keep it a little contest-related, I'd take Crono and Mario > Mega Man without hesitation. I can see a case being made for Mega > Mario but he's not beating Crono...
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More evidence of the West Division Factor, for the last time:

Using least squares and excluding Sephiroth, the values of all the characters in that division fit best compared to their 2003 values when Sephiroth is at 38.6%. Then, on top of that, if you assume that Sonic, Knuckles, and Tails are always the proportion in popularity (you can figure out the proportions by comparing Tails to Sonic this year, and Knuckles to Sonic for 2003), assume Knuckles' value is accurate, retrieve Sonic's new value, and work backwards, Sephiroth STILL has an expected extrapolated value of 38.6%.

Arguing against the WDF is futile. Actually, the ONLY other option I'd consider plausible is that Mario suffered SFF against Link, and that Link grew from 2002 to 2003.

Ah, well. We're long past 2002 now, aren't we? =P

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Samus vs Crono... whoever wins, we win! ^_^
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Nobody really disagrees that WDF happened. Just nobody agrees on what caused it.
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Well, if the people who helped make the bracket were automatically considered ineligible for prizes, would that solve the legal technicality?

Well, it's fun pointing out that two methods of calculating Sephiroth's new value are .01% off from each other. :P (one's 38.56%, the other's 38.57%, IIRC).

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Well, if the people who helped make the bracket were automatically considered ineligible for prizes, would that solve the legal technicality?
Information would likely leak out...

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Crono completely owned Mario...what makes anyone think Mega Man would lose to Mario, yet beat Crono? (Of course, that's only for this year.)

Crono didn't "own" Mario. You could make an argument it was against the usual Mario/Crono standards, but 53% is far from owning. And the reason for Mega Man to lose to Mario yet beat Crono has to do with what happened with Link -- assuming it was some sort of SFF, although something did happen.
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On a completely unrelated note, an OoT question...which temple comes fourth, Shadow or Spirit?

Forest Temple, Fire Temple, Water Temple, Shadow Temple, Spirit Temple.

I can see a case being made for Mega > Mario but he's not beating Crono...

Why can't he beat Crono? He's already ranked ahead of Mario in the stats and would beat him, according to the stats, with ~51% of the vote. I'm not one to believe Rock stayed the same either.
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Haste...

If we assume that Samus went over her head against Sephiroth (for whatever reason), wouldn't that solve the WDF problem?
Sephiroth's 8-pack is not a problem since I can't see Crash going any lower (as he jumped in 2003) and Mega Man's been going downhill in all 3 contests...he doesn't need WDF for that
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Nobody really disagrees that WDF happened. Just nobody agrees on what caused it.

I disagree with it. I understand that Sephiroth over-performed because many people didn't want to see an all-Nintendo championship, so they voted for Sephiroth over Link. My take on the case is this: why is there no theory of WDF in 2k3? Afterall, Mega Man was the last hope to prevent an all-Square championship, so why didn't people rally behind him? SSBM was the last hope to prevent an all-Square championship in the Spring, so why didn't people rally behind it? I'd say that people should have rallied behind Samus since she was the last hope to prevent a repeat champion for more WDF, but that'd be stretching it.

Regardless, my argument is there.
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I've actually thought about the possibility of Samus overperforming, too...that could be another idea. Perhaps she still had some momentum from her match against Sonic.

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Mega Man's been going downhill in all 3 contests...he doesn't need WDF for that

The fact that something happened in Link/Mega Man wouldn't come close to screaming that Rock has dropped in all three contests. He certainly didn't look any weaker up until that match against Link.
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I've never believed that Sephiroth overperformed because he was the last Square character remaining...just that something weird happened.

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Haste-
I've actually thought about the possibility of Samus overperforming, too...that could be another idea. Perhaps she still had some momentum from her match against Sonic.

Samus' momentum + what remained of the Mario/Cloud intervention = WDF

That's how I've always seen it anyway...

HM
"Mega Man's been going downhill in all 3 contests...he doesn't need WDF for that"

The fact that something happened in Link/Mega Man wouldn't come close to screaming that Rock has dropped in all three contests. He certainly didn't look any weaker up until that match against Link.

He didn't look REALLY strong except against Tidus, and I'd put the fault on Tidus underperforming, not on Mega Man being stronger.

Forest Temple, Fire Temple, Water Temple, Shadow Temple, Spirit Temple.
Any reason why they switched Shadow and Spirit in the medallions circle?
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He didn't look REALLY strong except against Tidus, and I'd put the fault on Tidus underperforming, not on Mega Man being stronger.

It's not really a matter of him looking "really" strong. He performed good against Jim, great against Tidus, like he was suppose to against Zero, and better against Solid Snake. Nothing at all pointed to him going down in the slightest, from 2003 to 2004. At the very least he was looking at staying the same, but prior to the Link match he could've been track to getting a 1-2% boost from the previous year. Yes, its small and nothing that would shake up the standings but it certainly wasn't sending him down.

Any reason why they switched Shadow and Spirit in the medallions circle?

If I remember correctly, it didn't matter which one you went too.
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I've always believe that if it were a combination, that Samus (or Sephiroth) overperformed a bit, and that Mario underperformed a bit. Nothing to do with Cloud vs. Mario, really.

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Mario underperformed against Link*.

Of course, if that were the case, Link must've grown from at least slightly from 2002 to 2003, right?

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It's not really a matter of him looking "really" strong. He performed good against Jim, great against Tidus, like he was suppose to against Zero, and better against Solid Snake. Nothing at all pointed to him going down in the slightest, from 2003 to 2004. At the very least he was looking at staying the same, but prior to the Link match he could've been track to getting a 1-2% boost from the previous year. Yes, its small and nothing that would shake up the standings but it certainly wasn't sending him down.

Last year he was @ 38.60%
This year:
Based on - Mega Man Value
Earthworm Jim - We have no reference
Zero [33.28%] - 37.82%
Solid Snake [35.90%] - 41.92%
SS [Master Chief stable] [26.91%] - 31.42%
SS [Knuckles stable] [32.72%] - 38.20%

I really don't see how these numbers point out to at the very least, looking at staying the same


If I remember correctly, it didn't matter which one you went too.
Nope it doesn't matter but I find it weird that they switched them. Anyway.

Haste-
I've always believe that if it were a combination, that Samus (or Sephiroth) overperformed a bit, and that Mario underperformed a bit. Nothing to do with Cloud vs. Mario, really.
I agree with all of this, but wouldn't the voting block that was brought here through PGC (If I remember correctly) account for at least some of Samus' increase?
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So I edited my bracket yet again... and I also moved Vincent to a four-pack, though I don't think you'll be too happy with it. >_>

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Materia Division
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
(1) Sephiroth -
(16) Duke Nukem -

(8) Viewtiful Joe -
(9) Lloyd Irving -

(5) Yoshi -
(12) Miles "Tails" Prower -

(4) Aeris Gainsborough -
(13) Donkey Kong -

(6) Alucard -
(11) Bowser -

(3) Zero -
(14) Sub-Zero -

(7) Ashe -
(10) Nova (Starcraft: Ghost) -

(2) Master Chief -
(15) Cream the Rabbit -

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Luminaire Division
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
(1) Crono -
(16) Billy Hatcher -

(8) Carl Johnson -
(9) Tommy Vercetti -

(5) Kirby -
(12) Protoman -

(4) Dante -
(13) Bomberman -

(6) Knuckles the Echidna -
(11) Ridley -

(3) Shadow the Hedgehog -
(14) Vincent Valentine -

(7) Vaan -
(10) Luigi -

(2) Solid Snake -
(15) Gordon Freeman -

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Shinespark Division
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
(1) Samus Aran -
(16) CATS -

(8) Ness -
(9) Roll -

(5) Auron -
(12) Tidus -

(4) Ryu Hayabusa -
(13) Strider Hiryu -

(6) Ganondorf -
(11) Morrigan Aensland -

(3) Squall Leonhart -
(14) Tifa Lockheart -

(7) Vivi -
(10) Kefka -

(2) Mega Man -
(15) Dr. Wily -

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Mushroom Division
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(1) Mario -
(16) Earthworm Jim -

(8) KOS-MOS -
(9) Revolver Ocelot -

(5) Ryu (Street Fighter) -
(12) Ghaleon -

(4) Sora -
(13) Sarah Kerrigan -

(6) Frog (Chrono Trigger) -
(11) Mewtwo -

(3) Magus -
(14) Laharl -

(7) Liquid Snake -
(10) Jill Valentine -

(2) Sonic the Hedgehog -
(15) Zidane -

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Materia Division
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(1) Sephiroth -
(16) Duke Nukem -

(8) Viewtiful Joe -
(9) Lloyd Irving -
Nice match for Lloyd
(5) Yoshi -
(12) Miles "Tails" Prower -
Tails and DK really shouldn't be that low, and you gave Aeris an easy path to Sephiroth, which I dislike as much as I dislike Ceej's set up matches this year
(4) Aeris Gainsborough -
(13) Donkey Kong -

(6) Alucard -
(11) Bowser -
That's a decent match. It should happen in the 2nd round if possible
(3) Zero -
(14) Sub-Zero -

(7) Ashe -
(10) Nova (Starcraft: Ghost) -

(2) Master Chief -
(15) Cream the Rabbit -
Zero/MC is very nice

Luminaire Division
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(1) Crono -
(16) Billy Hatcher -

(8) Carl Johnson -
(9) Tommy Vercetti -
In my opinion, we don't need 2 GTA guys, and we don't need them crowding up a valuable 8/9
(5) Kirby -
(12) Protoman -

(4) Dante -
(13) Bomberman -
Well, I suppose Kirby and Bomberman is a tradition, but I don't really care for a situation in which ertyu...er, Dante, wins so easily.
(6) Knuckles the Echidna -
(11) Ridley -
Now, I'm all for Ridley, but he ain't winning this, and I really don't like Knux/Shadow
(3) Shadow the Hedgehog -
(14) Vincent Valentine -
Assuming, of course, Shadow gets by Vincent. This is a rather good match.
(7) Vaan -
(10) Luigi -
Is FFXII going to be out? If it is, stick Vaan as a nice, overrated high seed, not in a position where he kills a 10 and bows out to the 2.
(2) Solid Snake -
(15) Gordon Freeman -
Do we really need to see Snake/Crono again?

Shinespark Division
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
(1) Samus Aran -
(16) CATS -

(8) Ness -
(9) Roll -
ROLL WILL NOT WIN AND SHE IS HORRIBLY OVERSEEDED AND THIS IS A BORING 8/9
(5) Auron -
(12) Tidus -
SFF is not your friend. Matches like these look good in paper, but so did Ceej's bracket for this year.
(4) Ryu Hayabusa -
(13) Strider Hiryu -
Battle of the Ninjas that should be an 8/9 or a 7/10, so Auron doesn't get a free pass to the Sweet 16.
(6) Ganondorf -
(11) Morrigan Aensland -

(3) Squall Leonhart -
(14) Tifa Lockheart -
Squally doesn't stand a chance against Gdorf.
(7) Vivi -
(10) Kefka -
Vivi is horribly underseeded in a very boring SFF 7/10
(2) Mega Man -
(15) Dr. Wily -
SFF sucks, and Samus is out of Mega's league.

Mushroom Division
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(1) Mario -
(16) Earthworm Jim -

(8) KOS-MOS -
(9) Revolver Ocelot -
A good 8/9
(5) Ryu (Street Fighter) -
(12) Ghaleon -

(4) Sora -
(13) Sarah Kerrigan -
Ryu will have no problems at all with Sora
(6) Frog (Chrono Trigger) -
(11) Mewtwo -

(3) Magus -
(14) Laharl -
Frog/Magus is another horrible SFF match
(7) Liquid Snake -
(10) Jill Valentine -
What the hell is Liquid doing as a 7? Same deal as the FFXII guy. He needs to be in a 4 pack where he can cause some damage.
(2) Sonic the Hedgehog -
(15) Zidane -
Blah blah Mario/Sonic blah blah Mario/Samus blah blah.
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Ryu will have no problems at all with Sora

I'd say otherwise, especially with KH2 coming out soon.
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sora should be slaughtering people next year.
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Solid Snake [35.90%] - 41.92%
SS [Knuckles stable] [32.72%] - 38.20%

These two in particular are ones that could easily have him settling inbetween. I'm not going to bother with a Knuckles or Master Chief ordeal because quite frankly I don't believe Snake dropped that much. Not as low as 38.20% -- although the difference between that and 38.60% is minute -- and not as high as 41.92%.
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"ROLL WILL NOT WIN AND SHE IS HORRIBLY OVERSEEDED AND THIS IS A BORING 8/9"

Prove it.
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YOU prove that it would be good. As far as I'm concerned this match is a POS.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

What's a POS? And I asked it first, so he should answer my question first. ^_^
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I'd say otherwise, especially with KH2 coming out soon.

I did forget about KH2, but Ryu is a full 3% ahead of Sora. I suppose he could get a boost like that, but I still consider it unlikely.

Prove it.

Ness is ranked higher than an SFF adjusted Protoman and there's no way in hell Roll > Protoman.
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Ness is ranked higher than an SFF adjusted Protoman and there's no way in hell Roll > Protoman.

True there is no way Roll > Protoman, but you can't adjust Protoman, for all we know Protoman could've suffered as much SFF as Ness did in 2k3. Also to get the facts striaght Roll has been in a lot of Mega Man games right?
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What's a POS? And I asked it first, so he should answer my question first. ^_^

A POS is a Piece of ****.

I don't know his reasons for not liking the match, but I don't like it because the chances of it being a close, interesting match is slim to none. The chances of Roll being close enough to Ness to make an interesting match is virtually nonexistant, I think.
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Roll is a horrible character.
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Roll has got the match on the bag. TLF>TSF, plain and clear.

(The Lolikon Factor and The Shota Factor)
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

And before someone attempts to say a thing, my above post was a joke, dammit. Ness has an easy win there.
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

I don't think Roll would have a chance worth mentioning against Terry Bogard, much less Ness.
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The match would probably be 65-35 anyways
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Ness shouldn't be allowed to get such an easy match. EVER.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

but OMG he wuz a sex-seede he dezervvs a EZ match roffle!1

Seriously, he's right.
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now Ness vs. Tails, that'll be a good match
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Hey, side-note, I'm trying to gather the adjusted SFF stats, which I already have...but I'm trying to find adjusted stats by division now...so four different packs, each of them with either Link, Mega Man, Cloud, or Samus being 50% in case I lost somebody already. If anybody could help out there, I'd appreciate it.
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Ness/Tails would be a good one, but I think Ness/Jill Valentine or Tails/Tommy Vercetti would cause alot of arguments next year.
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Or Tails/Fox =)
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I wouldn't count on seeing Tommy back next year.

There's always Carl Johnson of course, but I don't know how he'll stack up to Tommy. Just the name, you know, "Carl Johnson", sounds a lot more generic.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

Or Tails/Fox =)

Still proud to be the one who came up with that gem, heh, but since that has been in most people's mock-brackets, I've just accept it and tried to come up with a match or two that hasn't gotten thought.

But yes, Tails/Fox before either other match I suggested just now. An 8/9-seed match too, or else there'll be hell to pay.

I wouldn't count on seeing Tommy back next year.

Why not? If Tommy can't come back next year, neither can Kefka...and Kefka's long past his prime, surely. At least Tommy's just now leaving it, and he still did almost as good against Zero than Kefka did to Knuckles, for what it's worth.
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Why not?

San Andreas. Carl will be getting most of the GTA nominations next year, while VC will sink into oblivion.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

Same logic could be said 'bout Kefka. The only difference is the mighty Final Fantasy label. Now granted, I don't expected Tommy to be any higher than a 7-seed (and that's tops), but for being a 3-seed and 5-seed the two years he's been in...for being able to beat Donkey Kong and getting better numbers against Zero than Scorpion...for how well GTA:VC did against SSBM...he should still have a spot in the contest next year. CJ will surely be a higher seed than him though, but Tommy's still gonna have some strength behind him next year.
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but you can't adjust Protoman, for all we know Protoman could've suffered as much SFF as Ness did in 2k3.

I was going by a high end 7% adjusted Protoman. True, he could have suffered more, and he could have suffered less, but the point is he's near Ness which means Roll is not.

And the only games in which Roll has had a role in more than just the ending are MM7 and 8.

And Harrich, I'll get right on the adjusted divisional stats, but I'm not sure exactly how I'm going to do the SFF adjustments.
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Aight, thanks. So you know, I've got the ones for the Hyrule division since Link's already 50.00% on everybody there.
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"Ness is ranked higher than an SFF adjusted Protoman and there's no way in hell Roll > Protoman."

char has already said it; there really isn't anything you can judge Protoman's strength on other than your own whacked SFF formulas and personal bias.

"Roll is a horrible character."

You said the same for Crono, yet he makes the Elite Eight year after year and even gets to wipe the floor with Magus... but that's besides the point.

"Also to get the facts striaght Roll has been in a lot of Mega Man games right?"

Roll appears in the original Mega Man series, Legends series, and Battle Network series.

As to why Roll will give a nice match against Ness...

Actually, I'm not totally sure. Roll got Mega Man support, Ness has the SSBM support. Looking at Link vs Mega Man's match, it sure looks like Nintendo's support is much stronger (duh). Will Ness get most of the Nintendo support, or will Roll claim it, seeing as how more than half of her games are on Nintendo systems as well?

Or worse, will Ness just SFF Roll to hell and back? >_<
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SFF or not, Ness has it. I'm also inclined to think there would be minimal SFF at the very worst.
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Ness/Protoman would be a good match. Ness/Roll would not.
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I'd like a Ness/Protoman man, but I think Protoman can do a lil' better than even that...I'd have taken Protoman over Viewtiful Joe this year, but I won't do that if they face next year.
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For what it's worth, Roll may get the Marvel vs. Capcom 2 vote.
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The big difference between Vercetti and Kefka is that Kefka is part of a long-lasting series that can't be defined by the word "fad", which can't be said for GTA.

MvC2 vote, eh? After what Morrigan did, I have to wonder if we don't give it enough credit. I mean, Darkstalkers is supposed to be obscure enough, right?
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

Here they are. I went with my adjusted stats and just made the divisional champion the yardstick. * means a character was adjusted directly, / means they were indirectly adjusted. I might have missed a couple of those. I also rounded to two digits prior to doing calculations, so everything has a slight margin of error. In short, these aren't perfect and will vary depending on how SFF is adjusted.

Hyrule Division
1. Link 50.00%
2. Crono 37.14%
3. Mario 34.77%
*4. Magus 31.81%
*5. Ganondorf 31.62%
*6. Bowser 28.21%
/7. Alucard 27.09%
*8. Yoshi 24.63%
*9. Luigi 22.98%
10. Conker 16.37%
/11. Pac Man 14.83%
12. CATS 12.17%
/13. Luca Blight 12.06%
/14. Ryo Hazuki 11.63%
15. JC Denton 11.45%
16. Guybrush Threepwood 9.6%

NOTES: This is SFF division, part I. Take these rankings with a grain of salt, but at least you can get the general idea of order.

20XX Division
1. Mega Man 50.00%
*2. Zero 43.12%
3. Solid Snake 42.82%
4. Frog 41.62%
5. Master Chief 41.62%
6. Liquid Snake 41.58%
7. Tidus 35.22%
8. Shadow 34.65%
9. Knuckles 34.64%
/10. Tommy Vercetti 34.00%
*11. Protoman 30.85%
12. Kefka 29.47%
/13. Max Payne 25.04%
14. Crash Bandicoot 24.37%
15. Eartworm Jim 17.03%
16. Tanner 4.88%

NOTES: Zero got adjusted for a bit of rSFF in my stats, but it's basically negligible. These should be fairly straightforward, with the exception of Protoman, who arbitrarily got a 7.5% SFF adjustment.

Midgar Division
1. Cloud 50.00%
2. Sephiroth 44.00%
*3. Auron 31.71%
*4. Squall 29.98%
*5. Vivi 27.50%
/6. Kirby 26.97%
/7. Donkey Kong 23.94%
/8. Scorpion 22.29%
/9. Ness 22.18%
/10. Bomberman 21.14%
/11. Jak 19.93%
12. Duke Nukem 19.81%
/13. Kain 19.07%
14. Vyse 18.59%
15. Laharl 14.79%
16. Sly Cooper 12.00%

NOTES: SFF division, part II. Again, since there's so many adjustments, these numbers are unreliable at best. Just use them to get a feel for the relative strength of characters.

Chaos Division
1. Samus 50.00%
2. Sonic 42.49%
3. Ryu 37.78%
4. Sora 34.15%
5. Dante 32.27%
6. KOS-MOS 28.62%
7. Tails 27.49%
8. Ryu Hayabusa 26.14%
9. Jill Valentine 26.13%
10. Viewtiful Joe 24.85%
11. HK-47 23.53%
12. Sam Fisher 19.03%
13. Lara Croft 17.61%
14. Gordon Freeman 16.96%
15. Terry Bogard 16.28%
16. Ratchet 12.72%

NOTES: SFF Free! Still, I do think Fisher and maybe Lara underperformed against Samus, but that is not reflected in these stats.
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Snoocete, if it weren't for MGS3 that'd be a free ride to Crono for Vincent... I love it!
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12. CATS 12.17%
/13. Luca Blight 12.06%
/14. Ryo Hazuki 11.63%
15. JC Denton 11.45%
16. Guybrush Threepwood 9.6%


Seeing FOUR people below CATS in adjusted X-stats has me shaking my head in disbelief.

i'm assuming luca and ryo got adjusted UP...
which is even scarier.


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Yeah, they were adjusted up. There should be a slash next to Guybrush, too. I knew I'd miss somebody.
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what. the.


you're telling me CATS gets...

*whips out calculator*


SIXTY THREE PERCENT ON GUYBRUSH!?


*blink blink*

Is that right?

(12.17/9.6)*50

I did that right, didn't I?

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Nope. it's 50/CATS*Guybrush for Guybrush's score.

Giving 60.56% for CATS.

That's nothing... in the unadjusted stats, CATS beats Ganondorf, Alucard and Ryo on top of that.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

You did it backwards. It should be 50 * (9.6 / 12.17), which gives CATS 60.56% against Guybrush, after he's adjusted up through Bowser. And that's how pathetic Guybrush Threepwood is.
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Replace Ryo with Pac-Man. Man, did he ever suck this year. In both contests at that.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

My Writing&Lit class got cancelled, so I'm bored. I figured out the strongest seed by pure strength and by actual seed for each division, and it confirms what we already knew: Hyrule was incredibly stacked.

Strongest Seed (Strength)
1. Link Hyrule
2. Sephiroth Midgar
3. Mario Hyrule
4. Magus Zeal Hyrule
5. Ganondorf Dragmire Hyrule
6. Liquid Snake 20XX
7. Alucard Hyrule
8. Yoshi Hyrule
9. Knuckles 20XX
10. Tommy Vercetti 20XX
11. Protoman 20XX
12. Kefka 20XX
13. Kain Midgar
14. Vyse Midgar
15. Laharl Midgar
16. Sly Cooper Midgar

1. Hyrule 6
2. 20XX 5
3. Midgar 5
4. Chaos 0

Strongest Seed (Actual)
1. Link Hyrule
2. Sephiroth Midgar
3. Crono Hyrule
4. Zero 20XX
5. Kirby Midgar
6. Magus Hyrule
7. Bowser Hyrule
8. Ganondorf Hyrule
9. Ryu Chaos
10. Knuckles 20XX
11. Liquid Snake 20XX
12. Tails Chaos
13. Protoman 20XX
14. Scorpion Midgar
15. Lara Croft Chaos
16. CATS Hyrule

1. Hyrule 6
2 20XX 4
3. Midgar 3
4. Chaos 3
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Of special note is the fact that the Chaos division failed to win a single seed when seeds are determined by strength, Hyrule got 6 of the top 8 and then died, 20XX got most of the low but not quite fodder slots, and Midgar has the strongest fodder.
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Whoops, that last CATS should be Milkem, bringing Hyrule down to 5 and tying Midgar with 20XX.
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Okay really, I'm a big Mega Man fan and all but Roll isn't close to being worthy of entering this contest. Dr. Wily, Bass, Sigma, heck the Green Guy who gets killed at the beginning of MMX2 is better -- okay, I'm lying, but he was cool.
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If Roll/Ness ever takes place, I think it will have low vote totals, since the board will think that:

- if you vote for Roll, you got LOLICON'D.
- if you vote for Ness, you got MICHAEL JACKSON'D.

Scary o.O
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blah, I had copied something I think hm said about MegaMan looking fine in all of his matches until Link, but Zero/Megaman just didn't look good for mega. I mean performing as expected just didn't look like enough, despite how strong Zero is. He should have been able to at least get some sff. I mean, would anyone have been surprised if he had gotten sff? Still though, maybe the stronger characters like Cloud/Sephiroth for instance, though thats kind of an extreme case, are just sff resistant to each other. (when sff would apply)
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now Ness vs. Tails, that'll be a good match

Or Tails/Fox =)

I have DK/Tails in my bracket. Most people seem to think that would be a very difficult match to call, and yet, everyone in this thread says they'd take DK over Ness. Is SFF that big of a factor there to make DK vs. Ness a foregone conclusion? I've just never seen DK actually get the up-side of SFF, so I'm skeptical.

I would personally pick Tails over both Ness and Fox.

I would also pick DK over Tails, Fox, or Ness, but I'm not certain about any of those.

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I don't see why Zero getting the SFF in that match would've been a surprise, to be honest -- considering the popularity of the X series here.
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Just remember that without SFF Bowser vs. Ness would've been a 63/37 match, that's like 12% SFF
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yeah, but at the core of it all, they're still both from the Megaman series, and I don't think its a stretch to say most were anticipating sff, in favor for Megaman. Although Zero did show he's quite the competitor, so its probably more of that.


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How much variation should be expected for the same match on different days?
I'm thinking 250-500 votes could move in one's favor, depending on when and who. Any take on this?
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Well, in stat, they always say that you should take polls with a 0.5% (or was it 0.05%) margin of error, so 500 seems like a nice number.
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Zero probably diden't get SFF because he's almost as much as a main character as Mega Man himself is, Zero has many traits that make him cooler than Mega Man, and he plays almost completely different from the blue bomber, he also has more of a personality and style than Mega Man has to devopled his own fanbase and even gain his own series, whcih many side characters have failed to do (Donkey Kong and Wario are the only ones that come close.)

I have DK/Tails in my bracket. Most people seem to think that would be a very difficult match to call, and yet, everyone in this thread says they'd take DK over Ness. Is SFF that big of a factor there to make DK vs. Ness a foregone conclusion? I've just never seen DK actually get the up-side of SFF, so I'm skeptical.

I would personally pick Tails over both Ness and Fox.

I would also pick DK over Tails, Fox, or Ness, but I'm not certain about any of those.

DK/Tails would be a good match; I'd take DK in a pretty close one. DK over Ness should be a given though, even if DK rarely gets the SFF in a match...Ness might be able to match DK in votes just from SSB/SSBM, but then from there it would be Earthbound VS DKC 1/2/3, DK 64, Mario Kart series, Mario Golf, Mario Party series, Mario Tennis, and whatever else. Plus, considering how many more brackets were behind DK against Vivi than there were brackets behind Ness against Jak, that would likely hurt some in a head-to-head match. Lastly, DK is still higher up in the Nintendo totem pole. With that said, I could still see Ness getting 40% on a good day.

DK > Ness > Tails >=> Fox, if you ask me, but it could vary lightly.
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DK > Ness > Tails >=> Fox

Yeah, that sounds about right. Fox might be able to get r/SFF on Ness, but that would be sketchy at best. Ness/Tails would be rather close, and Tails is actually ranked higher in the XS, but I'd pick Ness to come out of that match by the skin of his neck. I'd probably pick Fox over Tails, but again, not by much at all. DK, of course, would beat all of them without much trouble.
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I would pick DK >=> Fox > Ness > Tails. Between Fox and his brand-new game and his SFF against Link -- there's no way it was small or not there -- I see him as breaking out of that fodder mold.
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DK >=> Fox > Ness > Tails

I think Tails could beat Ness.
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I'd pick Tails over Ness also. Do you think Ness could get 54% on Joe (who is probably above Jak) or 42% on Dante?
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I would pick DK >=> Fox > Ness > Tails. Between Fox and his brand-new game and his SFF against Link -- there's no way it was small or not there -- I see him as breaking out of that fodder mold.

Right now, I could see SFF goin' against Fox in a DK/Fox match, but not bad like Link/Fox. When the new Star Fox game drops though, especially if it's a success, then I can see Fox getting some rSFF and making it a close one. I think DK would get a lil' more of the SSB/SSBM vote than Fox though, and considering how much more exposure DK's got elsewhere, I don't think Fox could overcome that enough with his fans here for a victory. Its results would interest me though, like a Luigi/DK match would...but yet I think Luigi would take Fox pretty easily, so maybe we're both more wrong than we'd like to think there.
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I can see Ness matching Tails against VJ and Dante both, and he damn near matched Tails against a 3-seeded Auron. Plus, I think Ness would do better against Tails head-to-head than he would by statistical comparison.
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You said the same for Crono, yet he makes the Elite Eight year after year and even gets to wipe the floor with Magus... but that's besides the point.

I meant that Roll is a horrible character to have in the contest. Hardly anyone knows who she is, and even those familiar with her will likely not vote for her. I would see her being on par with Ms. Pac Man.
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Talking about Mrs. Pac-Man, how would she do against Tanner?
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She would score just over 70%, I think.
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God...bless...

...Tanner HAS to come back one more year, just to face Link.
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"I meant that Roll is a horrible character to have in the contest. Hardly anyone knows who she is, and even those familiar with her will likely not vote for her. I would see her being on par with Ms. Pac Man."

Roll isn't a freakin' sprite change, you know. She played a rather major role in Legends, and was a nice supporting character in the other Mega Man and Battle Network games. She's quite famous, and she will do damage in the contest.
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For the record, Legends was deemed a failure by many. I haven't played any of the Battle Network games either, but what little I've seen of Roll has not been impressive...I really doubt she'd beat Terry Bogard, in all seriousness.
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I've played enough Mega Man games to vote for Mega Man and Zero over most opponents, yet I still have no idea who Roll Casket is.
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You know what would be funny?

Dr. Wily VS Dr. Robotnik.

<_<

Face-only pics, they'd look virtually identical.

>_>

As for Mega Man / Zero, could it be reverse SFF? I've heard the term come up before....
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As for Mega Man / Zero, could it be reverse SFF? I've heard the term come up before....

Don't get me started on this one. I don't think it's anything more than a negligible amount.

I'm struggling to think of any other matches that could induce rSFF... Mario-Yoshi anyone?
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Auron/Tidus?
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Do we know who's stronger out of Auron and Tidus? The last two sets of extrapolateds (after SFF adjustments) show one stronger one year and one the next. Surely there needs to be a *clear* favourite for rSFF to come into effect.

In other news, John Peel's died. Not of interest to most of you across the pond, but a sad day for British music.
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That's true too, but you could make a case for either:

-If Auron is stronger, and Tidus wins, it's because he's the main and main>sidekick.
-If Tidus is stronger, and Auron wins, it's because he's loved by the people who played FFX more than Tidus, but only shows when both face off.

Of cours, we have to find who's stronger first <_<

And then there's Crono/Magus, but we had that and, well.. no rSFF, more like SFF *sigh*.
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Roll isn't a freakin' sprite change, you know. She played a rather major role in Legends, and was a nice supporting character in the other Mega Man and Battle Network games. She's quite famous, and she will do damage in the contest.

The mainstream GameFAQs audience doesn't exactly care about Legends. The central series and Mega Man X are the only two series that would help any Mega Man character do any damage at all. Frankly, it would be a shock to ever see Roll get more than 5-10 nominations, let alone score above 10000 votes in a match.
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Leonhart brought this up before about Tidus, and I tend to agree with him: Tidus gets votes by virtue of being the start of the defining PS2 era FFX. These votes are starting to leave him due to FFX dying down in general, and once XII comes out, will probably disappear altogether. Hence what happened against Mega Man and Tidus' precipitous fall this year.

Auron, on the other hand, is liked because of his character, and will probably stay strong for a while yet. Auron's strength is rather hard to judge; he's had the misfortune of facing Tails, Cloud, Scorp, Ness, and Seph, none of whom are good, stable, non-Square characters to judge his strength of off. Since Tails has a clear, SFF-less path to Link this year, I assumed a constant Auron/Tails relationship (if Auron/Tails was held again this year, Tails would still get 35.53%) and adjusted that way, which puts Auron between Magus/Ganondorf and Zero/Snake. Is he that strong? We have no real way of knowing.
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You could say the say about Cloud then, but we know that's not exactly true...

...I think Tidus just falls apart against the big-name characters; he did to Sonic in 2k2 and Mega Man this year. He's beaten two respectable contenders and lost in a close one with Ganondorf though, so he's got strength on him. I believe he loses votes when facing top-tier players though.
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"I assumed a constant Auron/Tails relationship (if Auron/Tails was held again this year, Tails would still get 35.53%) and adjusted that way, which puts Auron between Magus/Ganondorf and Zero/Snake."

Here's the thing with that... even before we got to say Tails in action that's where Auron looked to be based on his performance with Scorpion (assuming 2k2 scorp, iirc). Everything seems to be lining up just right for that to be the case, so I'm not going to argue with it.
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Roll isn't a freakin' sprite change, you know. She played a rather major role in Legends, and was a nice supporting character in the other Mega Man and Battle Network games. She's quite famous, and she will do damage in the contest.

People don't even seem to consider Mega Man's forms to be the same. Do you think they'd do so for Roll? Roll is fodder, plain and simple.
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How did Mega Man's forms come into the equation?
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Actually, that would be freaking awesome.

thirty two megaman forms and thirty two X forms...

<_<

talk about an SFF bracket.


Seriously, maybe Zero and Mega Man have both SFF and rSFF, canceling out..

or something to that effect.


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You mentioned Roll’s different forms as a reason that she might draw more popularity. I think he was saying that people don’t consider Mega Man’s forms to be the same character, so why would they make an exception for Roll?
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Servbot would do better than Roll, but then again once Mega Man Ledgends 3 is out Servbot's going to win the entire thing.

If Roll would make it into the contest, I'd say give her a 15-seed and pit her against Mario. Then we can see how she does.

As for the four characters (DK, Fox, Ness, Tails), IMO, it's like this:

DK >> Fox >= Tails > Ness
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If Tidus is really declining by that much, then where in the hell did Shadow's huge drop come from, especially since the other Sonic characters stayed constant or increased? I think Tidus's performance against Mega Man was nothing more than a fluke.
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But in all seriousness, why put Roll into the tournament? Honestly, who in the world thought of that idea? There are many other Mega Man characters that would do better than Roll. What's next, Aryll from Wind Waker being in the SC2K5?

If Tidus is really declining by that much, then where in the hell did Shadow's huge drop come from, especially since the other Sonic characters stayed constant or increased? I think Tidus's performance against Mega Man was nothing more than a fluke.

My theory is that Tidus took a drop and that Shadow really did overperform against Mario after all.
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I'm pretty damn sure it was an overpeformance that Shadow did, I never really was impressed by Tidus's strenght all.

I stand firm in my thought that Tidus is an under-performer against the big dogs.
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Here's the thing with that... even before we got to say Tails in action that's where Auron looked to be based on his performance with Scorpion (assuming 2k2 scorp, iirc). Everything seems to be lining up just right for that to be the case, so I'm not going to argue with it.

A 2k2 Scorpion has Auron going a bit higher. But yeah, they're fairly close, and I'm not going to nitpick. I think Auron could do great things pitted against, say, Ryu or Bowser.

If Tidus is really declining by that much, then where in the hell did Shadow's huge drop come from, especially since the other Sonic characters stayed constant or increased? I think Tidus's performance against Mega Man was nothing more than a fluke.

I don't think the full drop is Tidus'; maybe Mega Man can sap support for Square characters and maybe Tidus does collapse against iconic elites like MM and Sonic, but some of that fall had to be his. And remember what we're getting Shadow's ranking from: a match against Mario. While I firmly believe Mario antivotes are a myth, that's a perfect stand in for a Mario/Sonic match, especially since Shadow is a palette swap of Sonic, so maybe Shadow benefitted from that. Not to mention his position last year, so close to Sonic and so far away from Knuckles, makes no sense. Would you really pick Shadow over Aeris, Squall, Ryu, Zero, and Bowser? I think if I had to place Tidus and Shadow this year, I'd stick both of them right under Bowser and just above Alucard.
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What's with the Fox love all of a sudden...
Fox over Ness and Tails???
Ness looks better on a 2k4 Link than Fox looked on a 2k2 Link. And that's through a might-have-been-SFF'd Auron.
And Tails is another 2 points higher.
I'd go DK>Tails>=Ness>Fox
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What's with the Fox love all of a sudden...
Fox over Ness and Tails???

First off, there's no way he didn't suffer SFF against Link in 2003. It would be beyond insane to believe it was a small amount or not there at all. Secondly, he has a brand-new game coming out in Star Fox 2 on the GCN before the next summer contest. More than enough to beat Tails and there's no way the fanbase prefers Ness over Fox.
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They're all jumping on the Star Fox 2 bandwagon, of course.

I agree, except for DK > Tails outright... this one looks tough.
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First off, there's no way he didn't suffer SFF against Link in 2003.
And that's the eact reason why I used 2k2/2k4 numbers and disregarded 2k3 Link/Fox =P
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And that's the eact reason why I used 2k2/2k4 numbers and disregarded 2k3 Link/Fox =P

Then you've got the possibility of Cloud being underrated as far as the stats go. I believe there was discussion earlier on him beating Mario with roughly 51% had PGC not been involved or something. Either way, a new game that is a shooter should more than propel him up past that level of fodder but nothing of a powerhouse.
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I think Tails and Fox are/will be equal next year. I think Ness could barely beat Tails, though I dunno how SFF with Fox facing him would go. Donkey Kong should be able to beat all three of them, but Tails would be the best one for him to face.
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Actually, the best theories have Cloud beating Mario with 56% in 2002.
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Actually, the best theories have Cloud beating Mario with 56% in 2002.

I fail to see how a match with so many votes could be so drastically changed by PGC, especially when Cloud was barely winning when PGC showed up.
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Super Mario Sunshine coming out on the exact same day, lots and lots of websites intervening in favor of Mario from the start of the poll... this poll is generally considered an anomaly. See Alucard's huge jump the next year, and Tails jumping this year after being held down again by Cloud/Auron SFF.
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Lots and lots of sites? Elaborate.
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I fail to see how a match with so many votes could be so drastically changed by PGC, especially when Cloud was barely winning when PGC showed up.

Cloud was up by 1000 votes around halfway through the poll, and then PGC posted the link. Mario began his comeback afterwards, and it was capped off by the mysterious 500 vote jump in the evening. Mario took a lead of 200 and never looked back.

As for "lots and lots of sites", I'd also like to hear an explanation for that one.
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I could see Cloud getting 56% on Mario next year. I mean, it's Mario. Forget Zelda; he is Nintendo's Legend.

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Considering Sephiroth got 62% on Mario last year, Cloud damn well better be able to get 56% on Mario...though it's a damn shame that Mario can lose by that much to ANYBODY.
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It sucks that Mario got shafted of his 1-seed this contest.
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Yep, but at least Sonic got back into a #1.
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Best 1-seeds:

Mario
Cloud
Sonic
Mega Man or Link
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Gotta be Link over Mega Man, thugh it hurts me to say. However, I think you're forgetting somebody...

...PAC-MAN.
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Pac Man hasn't won a match in two years. That hardly begs for a 1-seed. There have to be some restrictions here. He can have a 2-seed if it pleases you, and he can be the first 2-seed to get upset. Ever.
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Heh, just sarcasm. I was gonna say Lara Croft, but I didn't want my sarcasm to be THAT blatant.
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Actually, the best theories have Cloud beating Mario with 56% in 2002.

Cloud was barely winning as it was when PGC posted that poll, there's no way he would've shot up 5% in 12 hours taking away PGC. And from my awareness there wasn't any other site worth commenting on that posted a link that day. The only major website that intervened was Planet GameCube.
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You know, we've never actually seen one of the contests take place and Mario receive a highly praised, console, RPG. He did get Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door on the GameCube this month -- monthly sales not released until about mid-November when they are all tallied up. He's also got Super Mario 64 DS -- not a port by any stretch of the word -- launching with the Nintendo DS. Sure, none of them are the be all, end all games but SM64 DS could have an affect on him... if anything.



Mario just rocks though.
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Sorry, HaRRicH; I'm much better at detecting sarcasm IRL. =\
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Actually, the best theories have Cloud beating Mario with 56% in 2002.

I didn't believe it either, but that's what both Tails and Alucard tell us.
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Heh, it's cool.
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Hardly anyone knows who [Roll] is.
Believe it or not, until a few years ago I only knew TWO Mega Man characters: Mega Man and Roll. I guess the only reason for that was because I knew Mega Man = Rock Man, and Rock goes with Roll. I learned most of the well-known MMan characters by reading message boards, in fact. (actually, I did learn who Zero was by seeing a friend play Mega Man Zero)

It just doesn't make any sense to talk about SFF in Zero vs. Mega Man. Zero performs within 1% of expectations, and it's likely that it was due to typical variation in matches that caused Zero to not look *quite* as good last year. Besides that, it would change the values of Vercetti and Max Payne, but, like, .5%?

Speaking of Ryu vs. Jill, Jill really should've had that match. Both poll's showed that the casual voters clearly favor Jill, and the second day (obviously the first, as well) missed a lot of those casual votes.

I stand firm in my thought that Tidus is an under-performer against the big dogs.
Not against Sonic. Unless you believe Claire would get well over 40% against Sonic.

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"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Actually, the best theories have Cloud beating Mario with 56% in 2002.
I still find that hard to believe, as well. Cloud never came close to being on track to hitting 56%. In fact, if Alucard underperformed against Sephiroth in 2003, as RPGuy claims, why couldn't he have against Cloud in 2002? Auron underperformed just the same against both Cloud and Sephiroth...

I calculated Auron a bit differently from RPGuy...I simply took Tails vs. Dante and Sonic vs. Tails to calculate that Tails would receive 32.36% against Sonic. Working from there and assuming Sonic would beat Tails by the same amount both this year and last year, that gives a value of 31.80%, about on par with Squall. Of course, that makes Scorpion look even worse. :P

Speaking of 2-seed upsets, let me note that in SC2K2 Crash was a 2-seed, and Squall was a 15-seed. Too bad they weren't paired together. :P

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Heh, Fox was a 15 who could've upset Crash as well.
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disregarding the whole "GFNW" fad, couldn't gordon freeman have upset crash?
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I dun wanna kno.

But probably not.
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if Alucard underperformed against Sephiroth in 2003, as RPGuy claims, why couldn't he have against Cloud in 2002? Auron underperformed just the same against both Cloud and Sephiroth...

It's quite possible that he did, unfortunately, it would be very hard to prove that conclusively. I'll try and work with Duke Nukem and see if I get close to the same result.

I calculated Auron a bit differently from RPGuy...I simply took Tails vs. Dante and Sonic vs. Tails to calculate that Tails would receive 32.36% against Sonic. Working from there and assuming Sonic would beat Tails by the same amount both this year and last year, that gives a value of 31.80%, about on par with Squall. Of course, that makes Scorpion look even worse. :P

My way already has Scorp falling 3.26% from his 2k3 value...yours must be pretty bad, indeed. Still, Squall sounds more reasonable than Zero. I think the fact that, by my stats, Sonic rose a % this year is what causes the difference between ours. But, if Sonic can rise, there's no reason why Tails can't, which is why either of our methods is correct and Auron's true value is probably somewhere in the middle.
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Okay. Here's the different characters that were in Cloud's half division in 2k2: Cloud, Fox, Pikachu, Parappa, Duke, Iori, Alucard, and Tails. Parappa and Iori did not return, so we obviously can't use them. Fox and Pikachu may have suffered SFF in 2k3 and didn't return this year, so we can't use them. Cloud can't be used to figure himself out, either, so that leaves Duke, Alucard, and Tails. Now, Duke's 2k4 value is tainted by Nukem, but his 2k3 one should be all right. Alucard's 2k3 value has some trouble, and his 2k4 one is adjusted through Ganondorf. Tail's 2k3 value is tainted through Cloud/Auron SFF but his 2k4 one is pure. So, here's our options:

1. Use Duke's 2k3 value (assumes Duke didn't change between 2k2 and 2k3)

2. Use Alucard's adjusted 2k4 value (assumes Alucard didn't change between 2k2 and 2k4, Ganondorf didn't change between 2k3 and 2k4)

3. Use Tails' 2k4 value (assumes Tails didn't change between 2k2 and 2k4)

And the results:
1. (Duke) 2k2 Cloud gets 39.5% on Link, 52.57% on Mario

2. (Alucard) 2k2 Cloud gets 49% (!) on Link, 61.77% on Mario

3. (Tails) 2k2 Cloud gets 42.99% on Link, 56.42% on Mario.

Now, 2 should jump out at you as being implausible. This could be because the Alucard/Tails ratio has changed quite a bit between 2k2 and 2k4 (from 45.68% on 2k2 to an expected 40.8% on 2k4), suggesting that either Alucard had a nice increase of his own (through bracket voters, higher awareness of SotN, whatever), or Ganondorf's SFF adjustment is too high and he fell between 2k3 and 2k4.

That leaves 1 and 3. I really don't know which one is more accurate; 1 seems more logical, but then again Duke's had plenty of reason to fall between 2k2 and 2k3. Tail's numbers seem high, but they might be the correct ones. Who knows.
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Well, Tails did get Sonic Heroes, so there's a chance he increased between 2K2 and 2K4.
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I'm amazed at the amount of time that has been spent discussing Roll's validity as a contest entry. I think we've established that there are no less than 3 Mega Man characters out there that haven't been in yet but have more of a place than Roll. In fact, I'm sure we established that a long time ago, just without it being directly said.
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Now, Duke's 2k4 value is tainted by Nukem

Should read "tainted by Milkem," though it really didn't change him all that much.
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From Ulti's 2k3 PCA:
"Seriously, next year, put Sora up aganist a lower-middle-tier character or two, and he could win with ease."

Low/Middle, kinda like Jill/Hayabusa? I still can't belive I refused to believe there was Aeris/Sora SFF, even after we saw what happened with Ness/Bowser and Crono/Kefka.
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Well, ya know, I didn't refuse to believe it when I was filling out my bracket, it just seemed mathmatically impossible that Sora would have that much. When it came down to it, I expected Hayabusa to be slightly below Dante, and I had every reason to believe that there was no way Sora was beaten down so badly that he'd be more than a match for Jill. In fact, looking at all other cases of SFF I still can't see that as the sole factor for Sora's increase. Either Aeris was artifcially lowered in 2k3 by some other match in the line that leads to Cloud or Sora legitimately gained significantly in the time between 2k3's contest and 2k4's.
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2k3 PCA again:

"Hey, here`s a thought! Put Aeris in the exact same spot next year, as an 11 seed in the east. That half division would be the easiest to predict in the contest, or at least one of them. Aeris, the underseeded flower girl from the Midgar Slums taking down two higher seeded characters, only to go down to the 2 seed. It could be a contest tradition! Hell, make the 2 seed Sephiroth. That would be funny. And Cloud as the 1 seed! Oh, I crack myself up."

I hate you, Ulti. :p
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I had Sora, yay!

Yeah, I don't think it could have been entirely sff, its just way too much, although maybe it plays out like a Mario/Samus would. Samus is statistically stronger, but Nintendo voters would still vote for mario instead.
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=)
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Well, Tails did get Sonic Heroes, so there's a chance he increased between 2K2 and 2K4.
I wouldn't bet on it. In fact, evidence is quite strong that Knuckles and Sonic were the same proportion to each for THREE years in a row...so I'd imagine Tails would still be the same proportion. In fact, I think it would make much more sense for Duke Nukem to have been slightly stronger in 2002 than in other years rather than seeing both Tails and Alucard being weaker.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

As for the Sora issue, we should forget about what Sora did to Ryu or Jill. What he did against Samus determined his strength. The weird part is...Sora made Aeris look better than Samus. I can't comment on the possibility of Sora increasing. I think he might've gone up somewhat, based on what other new characters like Tidus and Dante have done. Of course, Sora is still quite a bit weaker than Aeris ever was, so it might simply be SFF at the magnitude of Crono/Magus. I would compare it to Ness/Bowser SFF, though...people will vote for Sora, but just vastly prefer other (better) characters that are closely related.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

On Aeris/Sora...I posted this in Ulti's PCA, but I think it desevers repeating:

[This year] suggests [Sora] would have gotten 45.14% against Aeris instead of the 33.34% he actually got. That's 11.8% of SFF, which normally would seem like a lot. But, we can compare this to Bowser/Ness, which also had significant SFF (12.94%). Why are they comparable? Ness gets most of his fanbase from SSB/M. Bowser was able to take that away from him. Sora gets all of his fanbase from KH. Aeris was able to take most of that away from him. These are the two [of the] most extreme SFF matches we've ever seen; it's no coincidence that they are so similar.
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...Link/Ganon...
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where is ulti's 2003 PCA archived?

or is it on someone's computer?

if so send it to chococid@gmail.com please.
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...Link/Ganon...

That's why I added "two [of the] most extreme SFF matches," as Link/Gdorf had nearly 20% worth of SFF.

where is ulti's 2003 PCA archived?

http://www.sc2k4.com/archive/Ulti_Analysis_SC2K3.htm
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"Cloud was barely winning as it was when PGC posted that poll, there's no way he would've shot up 5% in 12 hours taking away PGC. And from my awareness there wasn't any other site worth commenting on that posted a link that day. The only major website that intervened was Planet GameCube."

Except that Cloud had the night vote to look forward to, not Mario. Plus, the theory doesn't rely solely on PGC's intervention, it also has to d owith that being the release date of Mario's then most recent game. That fact alone probably stunted Cloud's ability to take control of the match the whole day. Had that mach been held a day earlier I don't think PGC could have caused a reversal, if it did at all.

Sorry this is a bit late, I just wasn't paying attention when reading the thread yesterday :)
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I am curious..

If Halo 2 and GTA:SA were to meet up during the Spring Contest.. Who do you see winning and what would the percentage be?

Personally... I see Halo 2 edging out SA but I am unsure right now..

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Wouldn't like to call it but I'd go with GTA.
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Halo 2. I wouldn't think all that much about it, either.
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I'd take Halo 2 without any hesitation...
and I don't see how a case could be made for GTA:SA
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Guru Master nifboy pwned me!

Halo 2, without hesitation.

As for the Mario/Cloud match, I've seen quite a few sites advertise for Mario. I can't recall much (hey, it was two years ago!) but I do remember VGMusic advertising for Mario against not only Cloud, but Crono and Link as well. Kinda stupid, since wouldn't a gaming music website tend to favor the likes of Cloud, Crono and Link over Mario in the first place?
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Halo 2. Carl would do squat against the Flood...
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Halo 2 without thinking, and I'd never look back.
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Halo 2, but it could get ugly.
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Halo 2, no doubt.
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You know, I think Peach getting into the contest and not being placed a fodder position (15/16) would be nice to see.
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You know, I think Peach getting into the contest and not being placed a fodder position (15/16) would be nice to see.

Frankly, I'd rather stick a fork in my eye.
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Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Halo 2 no doubt. Even though I'm a Halo fan, I'd still go with it. Halo was a pretty powerful game in the Spring Contest, and I wouldn't be surprised if Halo 2 beat GTA:SA 60-40 or more.
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I don't think Peach is strong enough to win a match unless she's placed in a very favorable position.
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"The completion of the Ocean Palace will allow Zeal to last forever. There will be no fear and sadness, just eternal peace."

Peach anit going anywhere, I could see being stronger than Wario at best.

She would be much more adequate for this contest over Wario, or at least as far her name and popularity go. Plus, she's got one kick ass platformer coming out with her as the star on the NDS.
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You know, I think Peach getting into the contest and not being placed a fodder position (15/16) would be nice to see.

Yes, Peach could probably do very nicely for herself, I definitely don't want to see her in at a 15/16 seed though, give her a chance at least. One could argue that Peach is probably better than Zelda in character development, paper mario anyone?, plus she's Mario's main girl; that has to count for something. Personally, and especially after her game, I could see her taking maybe DK, Ness, probably Fox, I mean we saw how strong Zelda is, its a pretty similar relationship. though granted it is Legend of Zelda, not Super Peach Brothers, or sisters...that could be nintendo's next thing. throw a Super Toadstool Sisters series together, throw in that harpy Daisy, and bam, Peach takes down Luigi.

k, maybe not, but still I wouldn't be surprised to see Peach do just fine for herself.
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Not gonna help her, handhelds were never big among contest voters (see Fire Emblem) and Peach has a lot of hate and little fanbase like Wario, so unless she faces Ratchet or Ryo Hazuki you aint seeing her in round 2.

I'd like to see Peach as a 12 seed.

I think she'd win a match.
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"There are a dozen ways to think about a thing until you find out the answer. Then there's only one." -- C.S. Lewis

If Peach was a 12, she'd have to face the fluke 5-seed of the year (like Terry, Pac-Man, Phantasy Star and VJ) if she wants to win.
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Not gonna help her, handhelds were never big among contest voters (see Fire Emblem) and Peach has a lot of hate and little fanbase like Wario, so unless she faces Ratchet or Ryo Hazuki you aint seeing her in round 2.

Felix got owned by MC too.
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Felix was a fluke.

Peach VS Felix, who wins?
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well, peach doesn't need all of her support to come from a handheld game, she's not exactly a new character, but a handheld could only help her. and also, ffta ranked 29, which isn't like good, but still, it's notable.

granted it has those great words final fantasy in it, but still, maybe if metroid zero mission was in the contest, or another star gba game, oh like mario and luigi, we could see more handheld power, despite the series votes both would garner.
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

Peach VS Felix, who wins?

Peach, obviously.
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Master Chief ~_^
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Interesting HM answered that one quickly...I remember you saying Felix is as legitimate a character as his percentages with Master Chief would show in 2k3. Now, considering Peach would obviously beat Felix, what would be your opinion of Peach/MC?

The question's up for anybody else, too.
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Yes, that was in 2003. Now, I don't believe he's the kind of character who will be staying at that percentage as years go by. So I'd imagine him dropping from his 2003 value -- especially into 2005.
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Okay, so Peach 2k3/Felix 2k3, to be fair...who wins?
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Auron and Tidus both have a complete page on MMX's site =)
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**Board 8 User of the Year 2004** ~^SCC GOD^~

Thank you. ^_^

*goes to read*
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...with "Tee-dus" and Meg Ryna being two of the most popular

Something I noticed. ^_^;

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it should be recorded here for posterity and such that boston has broken their curse...

is this a sign that Halflife 2 will propell Gordon Freedman to new heights??!?!??!?!
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

I dunno....Peach might beat Tommy Vercetti.
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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 86


RED SAWKS'D! ^_^
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181/192. Helped Board 8 summon Kel!

oh....goddess
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Oh, Christ.
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**Board 8 User of the Year 2004** ~^SCC GOD^~

Oh, Buddha...

...wait, what?
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How about Peach vs Ro- *was shot down by busters and fireballs from all sides*
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wait JUST ONE MINUTE.

if the red sox can win this year...

they 86'ed the cards...

then...

GORDON FREEMAN WILL WIN NEXT YEAR!
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How about Peach vs Daisy...

That would be HAWT... And suck completely.
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Until Peach does get her own game I'm not seeing her over Wario. Frankly the only advantage over him she even posses now is Melee, and we know that's not enough to put a character into the top half.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Today's poll is very interesting...

July 30th:
Yes, I'll get both 10.42%
Yes, just the DS 25.33%
Yes, just the PSP 13.83%
I'm not sure yet, I need more info 31.93%
I don't think I'll buy either 18.49%
TOTAL VOTES 49945

PSP total: 24.25%
DS total: 35.75%

TODAY (As of now)
I'll get both. I need them. 9.14%
PSP. $185 works for me. 14.54%
DS. Nintendo rocks. 34.05%
Neither now, maybe next year 42.26%

PSP total: 23.68% (-0.57%)
DS total: 43.19% (+7.44%)

And that's after Sony announces PSP's lower-than-expected price...wow.
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Guru Master nifboy pwned me!

Well, Peach has one game that IMO was responsible for Bowser beating Yoshi.

That game is SMRPG.
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"There are a dozen ways to think about a thing until you find out the answer. Then there's only one." -- C.S. Lewis

Until Peach does get her own game I'm not seeing her over Wario. Frankly the only advantage over him she even posses now is Melee, and we know that's not enough to put a character into the top half.

Rather convenient that she is getting her own DS game then, isn't it? =)
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I don't think SMRPG is the sole reason for Bowser > Yoshi.

And yes, it is convenient, which is precisely why I mentioned it.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Of note: The KoF:MI ad I just saw on this very site features none other than Mai Shiranui. Please, dear god, we must see her in the contest next year!
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Wouldn't she be about Terry's level...?

Ah what the hell. I'll humor you. =)

Current nomination list:

1. Sarah Kerrigan
2. Dekar
3. Ghaleon
4. Totakeke
5. Ridley
6. Mai Shiranui

^_^
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I've thought about nominating Kerrigan, but I don't see her being any stronger than Wario, and that'd be pushing.
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I don't care how strong she is, I just think she really needs to get in to the contest. I mean, really, she should have been in during the 2k2 contest instead of Iori, might as well fix that past transgression.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

That's not the point for me; the point is that Kerrigan is one of my favorite characters and I'd like to see her in the contest at least once. <3
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Mai aint gonna get anywhere sadly...

With Iroi, Kyo and Terry getting trashed by Pac Man and Duke Nukem, Mai's only hope is if Ratchet returns.

speaking of Ratchet, gmr gave the next ratchet and clank game a 10....

and mario tennis comes out soon, yay!
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First getting 75-25 by Luigi is piss poor, then getting 80-20 by Dante, a mid-tier. No PS platformer will ever do well.
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Your full of it.

It's actually quite sad that the public of GameFAQs can't give some platformer love; they are the greatest games, after all.
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Older platformers are good, but the new ones suck. I don't care how well newer platformer games sell, either. I've played them, and I dislike them.
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Pssh, there's nothing wrong with Ratchet and Clank or Jak. Both are excellent titles.
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Eh. I liked Ratchet & Clank, but not Jak (disclaimer: I only played the first of each series). Jak felt too much like another collection marathon, whereas Ratchet was more about going places and killing things, and if you found a Gold Nut in the process, that was cool.

I liked Spyro, though, right up until its PS2 incarnation. It had something every bloody collection-based platformer needs: A way to be pointed in the general direction of the nearest little gems lying about all over the place. You really need it to get 100% without getting very frustrated.
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Jak II is nothing like the original. It's a very wide open type of game. Ratchet & Clank is the best new platforming series out there, with Jak and Daxter (not Dexter, Ulti) close behind.
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Looking over MMX's site...Good profiles written for Tidus and Auron, but my main two questions are:

Why do Mario and Sonic still lack profiles?

And where is Squall's profile?!
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saving the best for last perhaps Leonhart : )
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

I'm still suspicious about Wario's extrapolated ranking...24% against Link, 1% below Luigi and DK? As much as I love Wario over the other Nintendo characters, I find it hard to believe...

In fact, if Peach is weaker than Wario, I think Felix (at least at his prime) could beat Peach fairly easily.

I think Wario vs. Felix could be good, assuming Felix hasn't dropped much/any. Yeah, Felix is most likely overrated, but I'd bet Wario is, too...

Any other ideas on why Bowser could be so popular besides SMRPG? I guess his villain status, and not constantly being left in the dust is one reason. Or maybe SSBM made a huge difference, as the game protrays many characters (especially Bowser, Ganondorf, and Fox) to be much "cooler" than in their original games. Heck, Zelda, as well. It might not be limited to just Ness...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I'm still suspicious about Wario's extrapolated ranking...24% against Link, 1% below Luigi and DK? As much as I love Wario over the other Nintendo characters, I find it hard to believe...

As am I. Curse you, Shadow the Hedgehog!
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"The completion of the Ocean Palace will allow Zeal to last forever. There will be no fear and sadness, just eternal peace."

I think all of the Mario RPGs have played a large part in Bowser's popularity, as he is just plain awesome in all of them.

I just couldn't see Felix beating Peach under any circumstances here.

As for Wario's ranking, perhaps Shadow's spot in the extrapolated rankings this year is more accurate than last year's. After all, the idea of Mario-Sonic in theory might have been too tempting for Sonic fans to pass up, even if it is merely his clone. However, that would make Wario ridiculously weak.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #13, 6-1
Next: South Carolina (5-2)

So, let's say that there was a certain factor that made Mario/Shadow a Mario/Sonic match to many people, thus naturally making Shadow look stronger than he really was...but what happened to Tidus in order to stay be equally over-rated and proportionately so?

I've been of the theory that the Tidus/Ganon - Ganon/Magus - Magus/Link match series is unreliable, but I don't think that there was any Mario anti-votes or a notable Mario/Sonic vote-addition, so maybe I'm missing something here or being stubborn, one of those two.
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LOOK, get Dr. Wily in 2k5
I blame the hurricanes. God was too tired to keep the Red Sox down after those incidents. -Icon

There's going to be a lot of questions next year...Tidus/Shadow, Frog/MC/Liquid, Magus/Ganondorf/Alucard, Auron/Squall/Vivi, Mega Man/Snake/Zero/Protoman, the list goes on...
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"The completion of the Ocean Palace will allow Zeal to last forever. There will be no fear and sadness, just eternal peace."

I wanna see Shadow/Alucard next year.
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LOOK, get Dr. Wily in 2k5
I blame the hurricanes. God was too tired to keep the Red Sox down after those incidents. -Icon

that would be a nice match to see, and as for Bowser, I wouldn't be surprised if he is just that good on his own accord. He is Mario's villain, and he's pretty popular in his own right. I wouldn't mind seeing a Bowser/Ganondorf match, despite the winner being somewhat obvious, well actually, too obvious. although, we've had far worse matches.
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

Eh, I wouldn't be so sure that Ganondorf's got that one wrapped up...We've already seen how much he leeches off of Link.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #13, 6-1
Next: South Carolina (5-2)

I thought leeching off Link was only bad if you face Link... but even then it didn't hurt him THAT much... <__<; I'd give it to Ganondorf with around 57%. Shadow/Alucard is probably in Shadow's favor, so I'd give it to him with 55%.
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I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

Ganon > Bowser with 54%, methinks.
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LOOK, get Dr. Wily in 2k5
I blame the hurricanes. God was too tired to keep the Red Sox down after those incidents. -Icon

I guess ganon takes ganon/zelda as well?
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

I'd assume so, yeah.
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LOOK, get Dr. Wily in 2k5
I blame the hurricanes. God was too tired to keep the Red Sox down after those incidents. -Icon

Well, when going up against another fellow Nintendite, there's no telling who the voters would side with. I personally think Bowser would have a good shot, but that's just me.
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"Impossible is a word people use to make themselves feel better when they give up." - Vyse the Legend

Ganon smites bowser.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

Sheesh, forgot to add:

Probably be a SFF-fest making it 75%-25% or so.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

If Mario can't SFF Link, there's no way Bowser will SFF Ganon.
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Knowing Ceej, Ganondorf is likely not to return.

Nominate Ganondorf!
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Being unpopular is something I just can't get rid of.
Pwned by nifboy on the SC2K4 Guru Contest!

I think you are going way, way too far with that, Chococid...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Nah, no way a leech SFFs Bowser that badly, if at all. The King of Koopas has proven to have a fanbase more independent of the series hero than Ganondorf has.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #13, 6-1
Next: South Carolina (5-2)

Ganondorf may win but by no means would he win 75-25.
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Print ads feature a model holding the DS with words displaying, “How to Score!… Start listening to her needs, playa!”

I don't think there would be any SFF in a Gdorf/Bowser match; just like there wasn't any in Bowser/Yoshi or Yoshi/Luigi.
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"The completion of the Ocean Palace will allow Zeal to last forever. There will be no fear and sadness, just eternal peace."

Supposedly.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #13, 6-1
Next: South Carolina (5-2)

Well, it's hard to judge Yoshi directly, but based on a near constant Ryo and Conker there wasn't much SFF in either of those matches.
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"The completion of the Ocean Palace will allow Zeal to last forever. There will be no fear and sadness, just eternal peace."

Well, we don't know what Luigi did because his match with Pac-Man threw a wrench into the stats.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #13, 6-1
Next: South Carolina (5-2)

Yeah, Pac Man screws things up. He's basically unchanged from last year, whereas Kefka is 6.67% higher. I don't know what happened there.
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"The completion of the Ocean Palace will allow Zeal to last forever. There will be no fear and sadness, just eternal peace."

Kefka was so close to a very fitting number there.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #13, 6-1
Next: South Carolina (5-2)

I thought leeching off Link was only bad if you face Link... but even then it didn't hurt him THAT much

Except that it was quite possibly the worst case of SFF that we've ever seen.
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I beg yer pardon, but Mario made Nintendo cool, rich, and everything else you could imagine. ~ Heroic Mario

Probably be a SFF-fest making it 75%-25% or so.

Not even Mario could do that. What makes you think Ganon could?

I don't think there would be any SFF in a Gdorf/Bowser match; just like there wasn't any in Bowser/Yoshi or Yoshi/Luigi.

Agreed. Besides, Link/Mario didn't have much SFF, and I don't see why their villains would SFF each other if they didn't.

Except that it was quite possibly the worst case of SFF that we've ever seen.

...I would've thought the <__<; if nothing else would indicate the non-seriousness of that post...
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I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

Sorry. I really suck at detecting sarcasm.
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I beg yer pardon, but Mario made Nintendo cool, rich, and everything else you could imagine. ~ Heroic Mario

Last night I dreamt that I saw a Squall vs. Frog poll and Squall was winning with 57%...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Well, the XS have Frog over Squall but not by that much, and given Solid ****, Froggy might be overrated to the point of losing to Squall. And that's not even considering which way SFF would go in that match, though I think it would be negligible.
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"The completion of the Ocean Palace will allow Zeal to last forever. There will be no fear and sadness, just eternal peace."

Given Snake's drop, a Frog/Squall would be good. I think Frog would pull it out by a slim, but not as Frog-like as what we've seen this year, margin.

And poor Joe. The way he's been gangraped on yesterday's poll really makes a VJ2 improvement questionable now. I can understand Echoes getting half the votes, because it looks like it's going to kick all manner of asses, and even the multiplayer, which I was worried about, looks great without looking like generic FPS multiplayer. A Mario spinoff, I can understand too. A game with only the Goldeneye game going for it, and a Bond from EA at that? Now that's getting weird. Prince of Persia? Ew. But Baoqweogl Kaiejorneflnk?

Joe got pwned.

Oh and look, WoW is doing great today. Blizzard sure is no joke on this site. It's just that it's getting beaten by... GORDON FREEMAN?!? RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu
Don't send a man to do a woman's job.

It's not like my dreams are even close to correct. o_O I was just mentioning that for fun... On the night at the end of Sonic vs. Samus I dreamt that Sonic won (even though I wanted Samus to win). I think my dreams are rather pessimistic...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

That's the first Sonic vs. Samus...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

He got SFFed by Metroid Prime 2.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

Because we all know Metroid Prime + Sonic Heroes = INSTANT WIN!
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

Hm... I responded as soon as I read the thing on Viewtiful Joe maybe not getting an increase from VJ2. I meant VJ2 got SFFed by Metroid Prime 2.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

O_O

Today's poll, along with the Red Sox winning, may be a sign of the apocalypse.
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I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

XD Sigg'ed

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It's just that it's getting beaten by... GORDON FREEMAN?!? RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! ~Slowflake

Nah, Squall would beat Frog, no question.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #13, 7-1
Today's result: Tennessee 43, South Carolina 29

Wow, the off season really sends this topic to hell.
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It's just that it's getting beaten by... GORDON FREEMAN?!? RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! ~Slowflake

I think you are going way, way too far with that, Chococid...

eh, maybe.

um, before i say anything about ganon/bowser again, how about i ask about ganon/mario?

i mean, if ganon is a big link leech, what about mario?

would it look about like link/mario in the results, or would it be a clear mario win?

*doesn't really care to debate random matches unless they're actually in a bracket*
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RPG Elite (777) Dragoon Choco-Mage
If anyone's going to eat her, it's going to be me! -Yuri, Shadow Hearts

Mario and Ganondorf are close enough to bring us a 56-44 match without SFF, but can Mario suck Ganondorf dry? He did his own villain in 71-29, so it can hardly be worse... unless Ganondorf's relative blandness compared to Bowser kicks in, in which case we may see a tripling.

Dunno... Mario could get anything between 55 and 80% in such a match.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu
Don't send a man to do a woman's job.

I'd imagine seeing Mario with about the same victory as he had against Bowser.
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“I like the image of a barrel rolling down a gangway; it's fun to look at, you know?”
- Shigeru Miyamoto

By the way, I think we can at least thank CJayC to not have put ZELDA as that 8-seed. Ouch.

But then again, nothing guarantees she would've beaten Alucard in the first place. Yep, Zelda/Alucard looks like a sexy match, I hope I never have to pick between the two.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu
Don't send a man to do a woman's job.

That would be an interesting match; I'd pick Zelda myself.
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“I like the image of a barrel rolling down a gangway; it's fun to look at, you know?”
- Shigeru Miyamoto

As big of a Nintendo fan as I am, I'd pick Alucard. I don't trust Zelda's position in the rankings. But yeah, that could easily go either way.
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"Man, why do I get stuck with all the lame henchmen?" ~ Hector, to Matthew

Does anybody have a link to Gamespy's best game contest?

I want to see how different the matches are. (all I know is that Half-Life beat SMB3 in the finals and Doom vs. SMB3 was like 2 vote difference)
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

Diablo 2 beat Starcraft because someone set up a bot to vote for D2... and bragged about it.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/pacman.htm

Pac's page is done, and no, this doesn't mean that I'm allowing guest writeups. Guest writeups would mean people writing things for the sole purpose of being posted on MMX's site. VM's writeup was done for his own benefit, which is why it was used. I also had that thing archived well before the thought of character bios even existed.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
**Board 8 User of the Year 2004** ~^SCC GOD^~

charmander6000: http://archive.gamespy.com/titlefight/

It's a very funny picture. If that link doesn't work, just shove "gamespy title fight" into Google.
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Jon Thomson - nifboy > me
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Match 63 - April 5, 2004
2 Super Mario Bros. 3
(1988, NES) 6,265
(42%)
1 Half-Life
(1998, PC) 6,265
(58%)

WTF
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I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

Dunno where you're getting that from. I have HL at 8802 to SMB3's 6265.
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Jon Thomson - nifboy > me
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Gamespy's contest: http://archive.gamespy.com/titlefight/brackets.shtml

Aside from the usual complaints I've made about that contest (the webmasters and editors being absolute ****ing idiots, in other words), there are other things to mention when looking at the bracket itself. One, the Extra Life nonsense. When something loses, it's out. If you're going to live extra lives, then you should make the tournament double elimination. Goldeneye and KOTOR helped ruin that contest, because they won matches late in the contest that would have easily gone to other games otherwise.

Oh yeah, and Starcraft was absolutely screwed over in that POS of a contest. When you have a screenshot of someone bragging about bot voting for a game, you give it to your webmaster and have them look up the IP addresses. If CJayC can detect proxies that would have easily gone unnoticed had the idiot behind them spread the votes out more, then someone else can detect bot votes. Diablo 2 winning that match against Starcraft was a joke, plain and simple. And D2 beating OOT should never happen, ever, regardless of bias. I don't particularly like OOT, but that's because I'm an LTTP fanboy. From a nonbiased perspective, I can happily admit OOT being one of the best games ever made.

Overall, their contest was a joke on all sides. If they do this again, they'll be getting a rather nice little e-mail from me.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
**Board 8 User of the Year 2004** ~^SCC GOD^~

Guest writeups would mean people writing things for the sole purpose of being posted on MMX's site. VM's writeup was done for his own benefit, which is why it was used. I also had that thing archived well before the thought of character bios even existed.

I'll write one without getting credit... I just wanna write Sonic's, I don't particularly care if I'm credited for it.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like deity.

Gordon Freeman won that contest. That assures that it was complete crap.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

2 Final Fantasy VII
(1997, PS1) 3,873
(49.6%)
7 Chrono Trigger
(1995, SNES) 3,940
(50.4%)

It isn't total crap. =)
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

SMB3 losing to Half-Life pains me so...
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“I like the image of a barrel rolling down a gangway; it's fun to look at, you know?”
- Shigeru Miyamoto

Half-Life losing to SMB3 yet Starcraft not winning that contest sickens me. If the site is so computer biased, at least Starcraft should win...
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like deity.

^^^
Half-Life beating SMB3*
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like deity.

TIE Fighter got more votes than Super Metroid.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

3 TIE Fighter
(1994, PC) 2,846
(28%)
7 Super Metroid
(1994, SNES) 2,707
(27%)
X
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4 GoldenEye 007
(1997, N64)
(Extra Life #4)
4,480
(45%)
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

As an aside, just looking at the "rank board 8 in whatever order" topics, I seem to remember getting a message board account just to vote in one of the contest polls, yet my creation date coincides with Knuckles - Snake (the first one). That can't be right, surely?
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Jon Thomson - nifboy > me
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Zylo, he said NO. GUEST. BIOS. He made exceptions for Pac-Man and Gordon because he actually recycled old posts, not because VM and AT asked.

And I fail to see how Diablo 2 beating OoT was any bad. These are two incredible games, possibly the two I wasted the most time on in my lifetime.

Sure, if it beat Starcraft via cheating, then it's a travesty. But if it wins fair, AW HELL NAW.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu
Don't send a man to do a woman's job.

I just redesigned the Spring contest update sheets so that they're organized the same way as the summer ones, and I've stuffed both contest files in a convenient 181k package:

www.freewebs.com/slowflake/contest.zip

Still can't believe MGS led FFT every single time the clock said "Time to update, *****!" save for the first one.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu
Don't send a man to do a woman's job.

Oh yeah. FFT could have easily won that match, considering the momentum it had.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
**Board 8 User of the Year 2004** ~^SCC GOD^~

I just noticed that Chrono Trigger had better odds than Zelda: OoT, despite Zelda: OoT having WAY more brackets as champion...

Is there any better formula to calculate the odds? I think it may need to be not only be how many brackets have a game/character reaching a certain round, but it should also take into account the expectations of the other opponents, as well. Unfortunately, I wouldn't have the brains to figure out such a system.

I wouldn't be surprised if CJayC used a "relative" odds system like that when he calculated the odds of every character for the Summer 2002 Contest. He said it was very complicated, didn't he? That could explain why Link had only 1:9 odds in 2002, because despite the number of champ picks Link had suggesting he had 1:7 or 1:8 odds, a whopping 43% of the brackets thought Link would lose to one of the joke characters in his South Division. I'm well aware that the odds didn't add up together. But, assuming 1:x = 1/x odds, it adds up close to 1, so he could've just done the ratios that (incorrect) way. In any case, even if one thinks CJayC's SC2k2 odds were a big mistake, read my first paragraph.

Speaking of CJayC...anybody remember which SC2k2 match he lost his perfect status on? I know he lasted at least down to one of the final few hundred perfects. I remember that for much of Round 1 CJayC posted daily on this board to show all the perfects remaining...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Major props to Slowflake for those easy-to-read files.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Major slops to Slowflake for making it a zip file, which my computer crashes when unzipping.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros

So, when will the Mario bio be up? And when will Ganondorf have a working theme?
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Haste2 -
I have an idea, I'll try to put it together and see how it turns out right now...
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle), SC2k4 - 12th place
Guru Master nifboy pwned me!

Scratch that, I'm unable to access the BOP data right now, don't know why...
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle), SC2k4 - 12th place
Guru Master nifboy pwned me!

I'm dying to read that Mario bio, should be great.
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“I like the image of a barrel rolling down a gangway; it’s fun to look at, you know?”
- Shigeru Miyamoto

If you all have a minute to spare:

www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=80971

Go and predict that bracket. Think it's easy? Yes, I've had that comment already. That's the result of the bracket I've been constructing with the assistance of people from this board over the past few weeks. It'll take two minutes of your time to stick a prediction in, and if you think it sucks, then that's fine. If you weren't about when the thing was being made, you should have been :-)
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Jon Thomson - nifboy > me
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Morgoth: you could always work with the 2002 odds provided and work that with the 2002 prediction percentages...don't know if that would be much use.

jon: good bracket. I would like to see Round 1 to be a bit more difficult in the 3rd and 4th divisions, and some of the setups for the final rounds seem too easy. I'd also like to see Samus vs. Crono, Mario vs. Mega Man, or something tougher like that. Otherwise, excellent job.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Looks like I'm pretty much alone on going with Liquid Snake over Aeris. However, my theory is that if Sephiroth fell, Aeris likely could've fallen, too. Liquid Snake could easily be on the rise, too, assuming MGS3 makes a difference.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Is Bowser getting a bio?
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Something has to fill this spot.

From: jonthomson | Posted: 10/31/2004 7:51:28 PM | Message Detail
If you all have a minute to spare:

www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=80971

Go and predict that bracket. Think it's easy? Yes, I've had that comment already. That's the result of the bracket I've been constructing with the assistance of people from this board over the past few weeks. It'll take two minutes of your time to stick a prediction in, and if you think it sucks, then that's fine. If you weren't about when the thing was being made, you should have been :-)

Character battles done on board 8 are going to but anything but predictable due to the minute vote totals available and the fact that board 8 users are of a different mind setting. Alts can control the entire poll or whoever posts first and supplies a picture of the character they like or a reason why they like that character can sway the polls way too much. You can have CATS beating Sephiroth for example due to the voters being jokers.



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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

"but" in my first line is supposed to be "be"
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Major props to Slowflakr for making swirldude's computer crash.

And yes, all the characters are getting bios.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
**Board 8 User of the Year 2004** ~^SCC GOD^~

Oh and HM, how many Mario games have been sold? Include every game he's been in, too.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
**Board 8 User of the Year 2004** ~^SCC GOD^~

http://www.planetgamecube.com/news.cfm?action=item&id=5774

Welp, looks like Leon, might not have as much "umph" next year.

What a bunch of traitors.
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I was PWNed by nifboy.

Gosh darn it, I can't download any zip file myself. I'll see what I can do.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu
Don't send a man to do a woman's job.

I'm not a fan of Resident Evil, but that's kinda crappy of Capcom there.
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LOOK, get Dr. Wily in 2k5
I blame the hurricanes. God was too tired to keep the Red Sox down after those incidents. -Icon

I recall that around 170 million Mario games were sold.

Anyway, interesting to see out of the three people who picked Starcraft over Wind Waker, only one of them had it winning the next round. I'd think that if you picked Starcraft thus far, you'd stick with it. They were just too genuis for me, I guess ~_~
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It's just that it's getting beaten by... GORDON FREEMAN?!? RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! ~Slowflake

Regarding Gamespy's Best Game Ever contest...

Um, it sucked? Half-Life never broke 9000 votes on ANYONE, and Suikoden II got more than that against FFVII.
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It's just that it's getting beaten by... GORDON FREEMAN?!? RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!! ~Slowflake

jon: Good bracket. I may put my bracket on that site, although I will have to adjust it to add Cloud and Link now.

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"People who find that book intellectually challenging should try reading Dr. Seuss and really expand their horizons." - Toadvine, on the DaVinci Code

I recall that around 170 million Mario games were sold.

Anyway, interesting to see out of the three people who picked Starcraft over Wind Waker, only one of them had it winning the next round. I'd think that if you picked Starcraft thus far, you'd stick with it. They were just too genuis for me, I guess ~_~

That doesn't include Mario Party series, SSB series, Mario Kart series, any Yoshi games, any Mario RPG/Paper Mario games, etc.

And I don't know whether Mario appears in certain games. Of the games I'm certain he appears in, he has sold 214.4 million games. HM can probably get the correct total, though.

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

^ That doesn't include the millions lost to piracy and emulation.
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

Every game Mario has appeared in? Cameo and all? You are looking at a 350 million number with that kind of thing.
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“I like the image of a barrel rolling down a gangway; it’s fun to look at, you know?”
- Shigeru Miyamoto

Every game Mario has appeared in? Cameo and all? You are looking at a 350 million number with that kind of thing.

I'm not sure he means things like the painting of him that you can see in OoT... does he?

O_o

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'm not sure, myself.
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“I like the image of a barrel rolling down a gangway; it’s fun to look at, you know?”
- Shigeru Miyamoto

maybe you should restrict cameos, otherwise games like Ocarina of Time, Metal Gear Solid, lots of others, maybe just games either with mario in the title, or games that he has some role to play in.
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

Mario Tennis, Mario Golf, Punch-out, Kirby Super Star, Dr. Mario... the list goes on. o_O
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

Ever play Hotel Mario?
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|Heroic Hoahmaru slayer of Genjuro, savior of the samurais|"lucky you,about to be killed by a legend"
Excuse teh Typo

Not including such cameos and small roles Mario has sold 278.83 million copies in games he's either starred in or played some sort of bigger role.
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“I like the image of a barrel rolling down a gangway; it’s fun to look at, you know?”
- Shigeru Miyamoto

About odds...

I've come up with what seems to be a pretty good formula...
I've tested it on this 100-bracket sample

Game - Rd1 - Rd2 - Rd3 - Rd4 - Odds
Final Fantasy VII - 98 - 50 - 48 - 43 - 11:4 [3:1]
Super Mario World - 2 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 250,000:1 [6000:1]
Ocarina of Time - 86 - 39 - 37 - 36 - 16:5 [4:1]
Super Smash Bros. Melee - 14 - 11 - 8 - 6 - 25:1 [20:1]
Final Fantasy VI - 83 - 51 - 6 - 1 - 45:1 [25:1]
Metroid Prime - 17 - 13 - 1 - 1 - 90:1 [80:1]
GTA: Vice City - 56 - 22 - 0 - 0 - 145:1 [80:1]
Metal Gear Solid - 44 - 14 - 0 - 0 - 250:1 [120:1]
Super Mario Bros. 3 - 68 - 30 - 6 - 2 - 60:1 [30:1]
Tetris - 32 - 8 - 0 - 0 - 500:1 [190:1]
Zelda: ALttP - 80 - 50 - 10 - 4 - 30:1 [17:1]
Zelda: Wind Waker - 20 - 12 - 2 - 1 - 125:1 [75:1]
Final Fantasy X - 65 - 6 - 1 - 0 - 200:1 [115:1]
Legend of Zelda - 35 - 2 - 0 - 0 - 750:1 [275:1]
Chrono Trigger - 100 - 92 - 81 - 6 - 6:1 [6:1]
Final Fantasy - 0 - 0 - 0 - 0 - 1,000,000:1 [1,000,000:1]

Put up a 16-spot bracket and pretty much random numbers in there to see how it would turn out it looks pretty good to me.
The first odds are those I came up with, the [bracketed odds] were obtained using slowflake's standard 4^(X-1) formula.
If I had the BOP data I could do it for the real contest, if anyone's interested.
Comments are welcome.
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle), SC2k4 - 12th place
Guru Master nifboy pwned me!

Using that bracket, here's the odds I'd have:

FF7 7/4
CT 3/1
OoT 5/1
LttP 7/1
SMB3 8/1
FFX 12/1
FF6 14/1
SSBM 16/1
LoZ 20/1
MGS 20/1
MP 25/1
VC 25/1
FF 33/1
WW 33/1
Tet 50/1
SMW 100/1
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Jon Thomson - nifboy > me
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Seeing Tetris with higher odds than SMW saddens me. Tetris is FODDER, dammit.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu
Don't send a man to do a woman's job.

that's because someone had Tetris beating LoZ while no one IIRC had SMW beating CT
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

Slowflake must have something against Tetris...
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Being unpopular is something I just can't get rid of.
Pwned by nifboy on the SC2K4 Guru Contest!

Tetris is FODDER, dammit.

=(
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BtT: 3:47.63 | HRC: 51,246.1 ft OV aaaargh
I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

Seeing Tetris with higher odds than SMW saddens me. Tetris is FODDER, dammit.

Seeing this post saddens me.
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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest. My Ps2 collection: Kingdom Hearts.

La la la la la
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Xbox Live ID: SteveIllumina *Kira Master*
MK Deception: Top 100 Player...beatin' em down!

Here's a list from Slow's file that shows the top 5 games that cost us the most points

1. Final Fantasy VII 1996*
2. Chrono Trigger 903
3. Super Smash Bros. Melee 724
4. Starcraft 717
5. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 372

*most of its point lost came from OoT.

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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

Funny how the top three never cost me any points.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/squall.htm

*sheds a tear*

One of the most beautiful things I have ever read.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #11, 7-1
Next game: Notre Dame Fighting Irish (5-3)

That was great. ^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Does anyone have a copy of the Spring Contest leaderboard before the finals? I was on it...
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Lonely Angel
Your full of it.

you know I actually do, it depends how close before the finals, let me see if you're on the one I saved, oh damn, sorry, I checked you must be above 31, that's the highest I have : (
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

FrostHarpy, you were #3 on the Leaderboard, right after

#1 LordOfDabu Chrono Trigger
#2 UltimaterializerX Final Fantasy VII
#3 FrostHarpy Chrono Trigger

I was pulling for you, too.
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Kerryers have arrived! What now Bush?! ~Stealth Snake Zero

Leaderboard... one of these days Imma rule one of those things. Always so close, yet never so fortunate.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

ah, well as the saying goes

handgrenades and horseshoes : )
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

One of the most beautiful things I have ever read.

=)
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
**Board 8 User of the Year 2004** ~^SCC GOD^~

Why hasn't anyone written anything about Sonic yet? Do you need me to appear as a guest writer?
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SC2K4: 188/192 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Ulti has said (numerous times) that there are no guest writers...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well obviously I haven't been here to see him say that numerous times. -_- Just trying to see what the hold up is.
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SC2K4: 188/192 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I'm actually waiting to see if MMX was going to do that one. He's the one that created the initial Sonic page in the first place, so I'm not going to step on his toes unless he gives me to OK to do so. This is a joint effort, despite how busy he's been lately.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
**Board 8 User of the Year 2004** ~^SCC GOD^~

Why does everybody want to be a guest writer on a project that the creators want to keep exclussive? *shrugs*
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Trust me, if I didn't get to do the write-up for Squall, then nobody's gonna get to do a guest appearance for anything else (other than the classic archived posts used in a couple instances).
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"Impossible is a word people use to make themselves feel better when they give up." - Vyse the Legend

Thanks Ulti. I swear some people take things things out of context. My fault, maybe I should have put some sarcasm in my post. My post was more of an outcry of why Sonic's page has been sitting blank for so long.

Just picture me smirking and raising one eyebrow when asking if he needed a guest writer. I KNOW they don't need any guest writers. Just more of a push to see when the Sonic write up was gonna come.
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SC2K4: 188/192 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Eh, I may do it soon.

Oh I just finished up Conker's page, by the way. Don't ask me to think there, because it's filled with a ton of profanity. You know how GF is...
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
**Board 8 User of the Year 2004** ~^SCC GOD^~

I made a Summer Contest 128-character bracket. I used every contest character used previously, and added some new characters, as well. Due to my laziness, I just paired them up randomly. I might organize them later.

Here are the first two divisions:

Yoshi vs. Kyo Kusanagi
Tom Nook vs. Sephiroth
Shadow the Hedgehog vs. Jill Valentine
Mewtwo vs. Ness
Tidus vs. Samus Aran
Max Payne vs. Gabe Logan
CATS vs. Bomberman
Ryu (SF) vs. Dante
Knuckles the Echidna vs. Crono
Fox McCloud vs. Kasumi
Strider Hiryu vs. Sora
Master Chief vs. Serge
Little Mac vs. Gordon Freeman
Mega Man vs. Crash Bandicoot
Ryo Hazuki vs. Leon Kennedy
Mario vs. Simon Belmont

Ms. Pac-Man vs. Dirk the Daring
Liquid Snake vs. Sonic the Hedgehog
Tina Armstrong vs. Kain
Cloud Strife vs. Q*Bert
Ratchet vs. PaRappa the Rapper
KOS-MOS vs. Zero
Ryu (BoF) vs. Yuna
Mr. Driller vs. Servbot
AiAi vs. Iori Yagami
Ken vs. Pitfall Harry
Bub vs. Raiden
Alucard vs. Ramza Beoulve
Zelda vs. Marth
HK-47 vs. Ryu Hayabusa
Jak vs. Diddy Kong
Kazuya Mishima vs. Sam Fisher

Ms. Pac-Man vs. Dirk really sticks out. o_O That might be interesting. Also, there's one match where I'm this stats and discussion crew would've mostly picked the WRONG winner if done this year...try to guess which one. (besides Mewtwo/Ness...)

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Whoa, it's been three days since I last posted here. This topic's more dead than it ever was last off-season.

Random fact: Liquid Snake is the only villain who's stronger than his own game.
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Wrap + Lick + Harden + String Shot = Best. Pokémon. Moveset. Ever.
Don't send a man to do a woman's job.

Also, there's one match where I'm this stats and discussion crew would've mostly picked the WRONG winner if done this year

Strider/Sora
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"Man, why do I get stuck with all the lame henchmen?" ~ Hector, to Matthew

i would've picked sora.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

MC/Serge, that's my bet.
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LOOK, get Dr. Wily in 2k5
I blame the hurricanes. God was too tired to keep the Red Sox down after those incidents. -Icon

Shadow/Jill?
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

Dunno.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
**Board 8 User of the Year 2004** ~^SCC GOD^~

The Gordon Freeman match? We're not gonna let him win... right?
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

Completely over-looked Gordon. My god, he very well may win that.....
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LOOK, get Dr. Wily in 2k5
I blame the hurricanes. God was too tired to keep the Red Sox down after those incidents. -Icon

Ryu (SF) doesen't even have a page yet....

http://www.blood-sports.net/sf/sfmult/sfmusic/sf3/(09)The_Judgement.mp3

How 'bout this for my ol' karate buddy?

I mean, Conker, Hazuki and hell even Luca Blight got thier own pages....

Because anyone could have noticed that I'm going in the order that the characters appeared in the 2004 bracket.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
**Board 8 User of the Year 2004** ~^SCC GOD^~

I've decide to do write-ups about characters, I know this is stealing MMX's and Ulti's idea, but I tried to keep it different. I just finished off Bowser, How do you like it?

http://www.geocities.com/charmander6000/bowser.html
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LUE is a cancer, and if it can't be destroyed, it must be contained. - CjayC

Ah...good point. Master Chief vs. Serge would've been an answer, too, but I was thinking of Strider vs. Sora.

The remaining two divisions of the the 128-character SC2K5:

Aeris Gainsborough vs. Duke Nukem
Ramirez vs. Kite
Sarah Kerrigan vs. Pac-Man
Pikachu vs. Aya Brea
Claire Redfield vs. Protoman
Mr. Resetti vs. Lara Croft
Laharl vs. JC Denton
Terra vs. Luigi
Tanner vs. Captain Olimar
Donkey Kong vs. Felix
Ganondorf vs. Goemon
Link vs. Akira Yuki
Frog vs. Zidane Tribal
Ghaleon vs. Sly Cooper
Squall Leonhart vs. Morrigan Aensland
Chop Chop Master Onion vs. Wario

Auron vs. Viewtiful Joe
Vivi vs. Sub-Zero
Raziel vs. Kane
Luca Blight vs. Carl Johnson
Conker vs. Abe
Ulala vs. Spyro the Dragon
Magus vs. Miles “Tails” Prower
Vyse vs. Nightmare
Solid Snake vs. Serious Sam
Terry Bogard vs. Fei Fong Wong
Revolver Ocelot vs. Kefka
Tommy Vercetti vs. Guybrush Threepwood
Bowser vs. Isaac
Vincent Valentine vs. Scorpion
Cecil Harvey vs. Earthworm Jim
Kirby vs. Dr. Wily

I love these pairings. Ghaleon, Cecil, Fei Fong Wong, and Ramirez all have an excellent shot at winning, and that was random, too. :D

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Sorry, but unless Sly Cooper is really hated, Ghaleon won't beat him.

Sly Cooper finished a rather unimpressive 60th. Ghaleon would have to be ridiculously weak to lose to him.
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"Man, why do I get stuck with all the lame henchmen?" ~ Hector, to Matthew

What is with GameFAQs and disliking great platformer characters?
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“I laughed when I first heard the name Mega Man. It doesn’t sound very good in Japanese.”
- Keiji Inafune

Yeah, I know...it depends on how popular the Lunar series is on this site. I mean, Vyse could beat Sly. Ghaleon could be quite a bit stronger than Luca Blight, as Lunar:SSSC sold far, far, more than Suikoden II ever did.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Yeah, but people know who Sly Cooper is *somewhat*, Ghaleon is a character almost nobody knows.

Hmph. Everybody should know who Ghaleon is.
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"Man, why do I get stuck with all the lame henchmen?" ~ Hector, to Matthew

If sales matter, Sly Cooper beats the hell out of Suidoken and Lunar.

And Terry would beat the crap out Fei Fong whatever...

Gee...Skies of Arcadia sold like crap, too.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

huh
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BtT: 3:47.63 | HRC: 51,246.1 ft OV aaaargh
I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

If Luca Blight > Sly, I have no problem seeing Ghaleon < Sly.
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"Man, why do I get stuck with all the lame henchmen?" ~ Hector, to Matthew