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Haste_2 | Posted 8/25/2006 11:22:17 PM | message detail
Like swirl was saying, unless you think SMB would be worth 40% or less on LoZ (oh, yes, that's -so- likely) you can't deny that Mario is stronger compared to his games than Link is. I think that's understandable...we're talking a fat plumber vs. a magic-using swordsman.

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swirIdude | Posted 8/26/2006 8:18:30 AM | message detail
Hey! Mario's not FAT! Just overweight. That's what pasta does to you.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/26/2006 8:22:27 AM | message detail
People seem to want to write off Ganon for the sake of just doing so... I mean yeah, doing better on the same opponent doesn't neccesarily mean he's stronger, and it's not even totally my basis for believing that he is, but everyone seems to agree Samus SFF'd Ganon at least just a little bit, and I believe Samus should be higher than Mario in the x-stats, or is at least stronger on a common non-nintendo opponent, it puts Ganon right on Bowsers level, if not above.

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Lopen | Posted 8/26/2006 12:42:38 PM | message detail
And Magus 2k5 is overrated somewhere in the whole mess...I'm just not sure if it's him overperforming, Knuckles overperforming, or Vincent overperforming that does it.

You named all the possible overperformances but the one I endorse in Squall? You make me cry. Squall's (and Knuckles and Magus should they get in) totally gonna fall on his face this year.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/26/2006 12:43:43 PM | message detail
I very, very much doubt a FF8 character overperforming on an FF7 character...but if you want to do that, hey, your choice.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 8/26/2006 12:44:39 PM | message detail
Bah, I'm gone for a week and there's still no bracket?
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Lopen | Posted 8/26/2006 12:50:47 PM | message detail
Psh. We always say games != characters, don't we? Don't we!? I'd take Squall to overperform on any FF7 character that isn't Cloud or Sephiroth, I'd take Snake to do the same. Hell, maybe even Vivi or Auron. (no, I'd never consider Vivi to win against any of em)
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Janus5000 | Posted 8/26/2006 12:54:18 PM | message detail
Hmmm, does this mean we'll be getting the bracket shortly?
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therealmnm | Posted 8/26/2006 12:55:17 PM | message detail
I'd say the whole match was flukish...if only because looking at the end results, Mario is worth a whopping 46% on Zelda. Zelda, which has in virtually every other setting whalloped Mario into the ground, whose main character is worth more than 60-40 on Mario *before* SFF, letting Mario get so close is...odd, to say the very least. Maybe it was ultra -badass Mario v. nose-picking Ashe or maybe it was just a random fluke...but as much as Mario deserves it, I just don't think that's what he's worth.

Never touched on that, but nah I don't think Mario's performance on FF was a fluke at all, especially seeing that Zelda beat Final Fantasy. I think if anything benefitted from being a series as a whole it would be Mario. Due to the SFF nature of the games contest, we underestimate how popular the Mario games are by themselves. SMB3 and SM64 are probably beasts themselves (SM64 got the worst possible matchup it could receive). SMW is a beast in its own right. Then you have the universally loved original SMB which probably would have beaten quite a few games in its own right. Throw in SMB2, SMW2, SMS, the handhelds, and you have a monster of a series. Let's not mention the possibility of spinoffs possibly playing a factor (Mario RPGs, etc.)

Final Fantasy may have the benefit of having the single most popular game on this site, and beasts like FFVI and FFX, but a lot of people don't like the entire series like they do for Mario. I know I didn't exactly endorse this at first, but thinking about it... it makes sense.

On the other hand, there could have been a concentrated effort to make SMB look good seeing how everyone probably thought FF would destroy it. Everyone is pretty much a SMB fan at heart, so perhaps a lot of people were enticed to make SMB look good going out. I think it was legit though for the most part though.
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KingBartz | Posted 8/26/2006 12:56:34 PM | message detail
Oh, canada. I love thee

Of course, you suck for getting the contest delayed >_<

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XxSoulxX | Posted 8/26/2006 12:57:17 PM | message detail
Hooray! Now I actually can worry about these contests like everyone else!
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KingBartz | Posted 8/26/2006 12:58:32 PM | message detail
Cjay hates Quebec.
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silverkiller | Posted 8/26/2006 12:59:08 PM | message detail
From: Janus5000 | Posted: 8/26/2006 3:54:18 PM | Message Detail
Hmmm, does this mean we'll be getting the bracket shortly?


Id guess by the end of the day.
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/26/2006 12:59:18 PM | message detail
I'm probably the only one who thinks Sonic's ranking in the series contest is fine. *shrugs*
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Ness26 | Posted 8/26/2006 12:59:47 PM | message detail
The bracket is linked to on the main page. It's hard as hell... at least for me. >_>
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KingBartz | Posted 8/26/2006 1:02:06 PM | message detail
BRACKET UP WOOT

I can't find the place to view it, however...

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Draco1214 | Posted 8/26/2006 1:02:58 PM | message detail
Gentlemen, the universe might be imploding this year. Gordon Freeman is up in a winnable match.
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KingBartz | Posted 8/26/2006 1:03:01 PM | message detail
PHEONIX WRIGHT VS GORDON FREEMAN WOOT
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therealmnm | Posted 8/26/2006 1:05:37 PM | message detail
OH LORD, THE WORLD IS GOING TO IMPLODE!
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 8/26/2006 1:06:30 PM | message detail
I'll list my preliminary tough to decide matches.

Ada v. Jade (Who the hell is Jade)
Kairi v. Claire Redfield
The Boss v. Celes (who's Celes, probably some RPG I didn't play)
KOS-MOS v. Amy Rose
Joanna Dark v. Cortana (who the hell is Cortana?)
Riku v. Yoshi (I'll take Yoshi though)
WTF GFNW is against PW, damn it Ceej
Ganon v. VV
Luigi v. Zero

And that's just the first round, although most of it is cause I don't know the females.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/26/2006 1:08:07 PM | message detail
Battle Royale?????????? Why hasn't anyone commented on this yet?
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Read_Only_Thx | Posted 8/26/2006 1:09:07 PM | message detail
Some good matches, but also some wastes, like Sora/Tingle and MM in Sora's bracket.

But Phoenix Wright/Gordon Freeman? How cruel.
Draco1214 | Posted 8/26/2006 1:09:48 PM | message detail
Oh man, Luigi's fourpack is hell.
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Janus5000 | Posted 8/26/2006 1:10:00 PM | message detail
...I laughed far too hard upon seeing Gordon Freeman's first opponent.

The universe is so screwed
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 8/26/2006 1:10:08 PM | message detail
Battle Royale:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1685

Not too difficult.
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KingBartz | Posted 8/26/2006 1:10:19 PM | message detail
Battle royale? WTF
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XxSoulxX | Posted 8/26/2006 1:10:28 PM | message detail
Zero is going to take names, kick ass, and smoke a cigarrette when all is said and done.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/26/2006 1:10:38 PM | message detail
Snake didn't get challenged AT ALL. Damn. He's got a free pass to Mega Man (who has a free pass to the Final Four).

A lot of waste in this bracket, but it looks like the Battle Royale could be awesome. Is that like our 'Gauntlet' idea? Ceej steals from us again LOLZ
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 8/26/2006 1:10:43 PM | message detail
2nd round

Jill v. Peach
Yoshi (Riku) v. Dante
Kirby v. Luigi

Not that tough.

3rd round

Zelda v. Aeris (I'll take Zelda anyday)
Yuna v. Chun Li

4th Round

Maybe Sonic v. Crono

5th Round

Mega Man v. Crono (sonic)

Finale

Mega Man (Sonic/Crono) v. Samus

Not a tough bracket IMO. Females make it tougher, and the Luigi/Zero/Kirby thing should spring nice debates.

Also, Knux got snubbed.
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Janus5000 | Posted 8/26/2006 1:11:24 PM | message detail
...wait a bloody minute...

No Magus?
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/26/2006 1:12:23 PM | message detail
I can't believe we get to see Luigi vs Zero now. GO ZERO GO!
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 8/26/2006 1:12:26 PM | message detail
^Yeah him too, so did Frog and DK.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/26/2006 1:12:56 PM | message detail
Also...can this be Snakes year to beat Mega Man, or shall it never happen?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/26/2006 1:15:05 PM | message detail
Celes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Boss

BOOK IT!


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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/26/2006 1:15:29 PM | message detail
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Read_Only_Thx | Posted 8/26/2006 1:15:58 PM | message detail
Just finished my predictions, but I know I'll be making changes later.

Man, this computer sucks. Can't wait until I get back to my dorm.
Cavalier Lowen | Posted 8/26/2006 1:15:58 PM | message detail
I don't get the battle royal thing, if I have MM>Samus in the final, why does Samus still get to participate? Will places be determined by X-Stats (lol) or overall victories, including the Male/Female Final.

So far I got Link, Cloud, Seph, Mario, MM, Samus in that order, but if it's X-stats based for some reason, Samus leapfrogs MM and Mario.

Also, Squall, VV, Bowser, and Ganon definitely got wasted.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/26/2006 1:16:04 PM | message detail
Knuckles and Magus getting snubbed makes me unhappy.

Ganon, Vincent, Squall, Bowser, and so many other near-elites are so wasted.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/26/2006 1:16:05 PM | message detail
Terra/Kerrigan. BATTLE OF THE FAILURES OF 05!
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Lopen | Posted 8/26/2006 1:16:19 PM | message detail
I... I...

Where is he!? @$*#$@
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 8/26/2006 1:16:44 PM | message detail
LOL, never mind, maybe I should read the rules next time.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/26/2006 1:17:19 PM | message detail
Prince of Persia had that much more front-page support than Raiden? Damn...too bad the match is unwinnable.

I actually struggled a bit on MC/Sub-Zero, but thought better of it in a second.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/26/2006 1:19:38 PM | message detail
Oh, should have read the rules...the Battle Royale could conceivably *really* screw over some characters...like, if Sonic or Crono makes it into the Royale, I'd take him to be in fifth place despite the fact that they'd probably lose to Samus.
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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 8/26/2006 1:19:40 PM | message detail
I love the male side of the bracket, but the female side just has so many wasted matches.:/ Surprising because I expected it to be the other way around.
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Haste_2 | Posted 8/26/2006 1:20:58 PM | message detail
Hurray for my being wrong! We get the bracket on Saturday, of all days, and we only have 3 weeks to predict!

The Battle Royale is definitely interesting...it starts with 6 characters getting votes all at once. So, if Sonic or Mega Man takes the male half, I think Samus is going out first. If Crono makes it there...I don't know who to pick to go out first, since both Crono and Samus will probably lose gobs of support for their fellow Nintendo/Square friends.

The most hilarious match has to be Peach vs. Daisy...oh, the slaughter. (too bad Ms. Pac-Man didn't make it) I think Daisy only made it because nominators couldn't think of any female characters. Heck, maybe Sephiroth could upset Cloud when we get down to Link/Cloud/Sephiroth. :p

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XxSoulxX | Posted 8/26/2006 1:21:29 PM | message detail
Someone invite me to the AIM chat please. I can't invite myself...

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/26/2006 1:22:20 PM | message detail
Sephiroth > Cloud in the Royale is really gutsy, but it could happen.
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KingBartz | Posted 8/26/2006 1:22:42 PM | message detail
KingBartz first impressions - Male bracket

Bold is for the easy wins

(1)Solid Snake
(8)Soma Cruz

easy first round. Soma is easily the strongest eight seed, however

(4)Squall
(5)Tidus

Tidus will be my upset special this time around.

(3)Riku
(6)Yoshi

This match looks fairly interesting. I think Yoshi might have the slight advantage.

(2)Dante
(7)Ryu Hayabusa

Dante gets a first round by, it seems.

(1)Sora
(8)Tingle

lol low votals. I wouldn't vote in this match >_>

(4)Pheonix Wright
(5)Gordon Freeman

YES ****ING YES! this will be the match to predict this round, as well as the end of the world? We'll find out.

(3)Kratos
(6)Ryu

wtf? Kratos looks greatly overseeded this year.

(2)Megaman
(7)Axel

Megaman > Sora

(1)Sonic
(8)CATS

Sonic gets his chance to survive make his time

(4)Ganondorf
(5)Vincent Valentine

lol bye ganon

(3)Kirby
(6)Prince of Persia

Kirby gets a winnable first match. Sorry ertyu

(2)Luigi
(7)Zero

Luigi wins this fourpack

(1)Crono
(8)Captain Falcon

It's a shame to see captain falcon in a match so unwinnable

(4)Bowser
(5)Leon Kennedy

no escapeing teh first round this time Leon

(3)Auron
(6)Alucard

FF FTW. Poor Alucard

(2)Master Chief
(7)Sub Zero

Master Chief will be beaten in the second round this time >_>


WTF KNUCKLES SNUBBED

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PukeInMyPot | Posted 8/26/2006 1:23:12 PM | message detail
CRONO
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YoAriel33 | Posted 8/26/2006 1:23:14 PM | message detail
Ariel > Snake
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