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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 446
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/8/2007 4:07:01 PM | message detail |
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Would we see MM crumble if he was revealed for Brawl...just wondering what the thoughts on that are... --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/8/2007 4:09:02 PM | message detail |
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MM pretty much *can't* crumble unless he faces a Square character. he's
kind of immune to those lesser Ninendo guys. Auron, Squall and maybe
Tifa are his only real threats. and chances are, he'll end up facing
off against Bowser or something, and nothing will come close to
happening. I have faith in MM beating Auron, but I also believe that Auron would put up at least 58% on Sora. take someone relatively equal to Sora (Yoshi?), and I think Auron still wins that with 55%. --- xexyz |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/8/2007 4:09:33 PM | message detail |
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oh, and Vincent too. --- xexyz |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/8/2007 4:10:53 PM | message detail |
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What about Dorf, Zelda and Vin?...surely they are threats as well? --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/8/2007 4:13:17 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1352 not happening. http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2121 Bowser's not overcoming something like this, and given Ganondorf's match with Link, I HIGHLY doubt he's gonna come close. it's just the Squareheads that will threaten Mega Man. --- xexyz |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/8/2007 4:15:27 PM | message detail |
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So a TP boost doesnt help Dorf at all...nor MM's increasing irrelevance to gaming? --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/8/2007 4:16:09 PM | message detail |
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I just can't imagine a Mega Man/Vincent match to not heavily favor
Vincent after what I saw Sora do to him. Sora just isn't that likable, and Vincent is a clear rung and then some up on the Square pecking order. How would you see a Mega/Vincent match go in 2k6? I can think of very few things that favor MM outside of "intangibles" (he's an icon - and the Noble Nine haven't fallen yet!). I have no problem disputing this point objectively - like I said initially, I'm well aware I'm in the minority here. (it's the Sora = Auron thing that gets my head shaking) --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/8/2007 4:18:43 PM | message detail |
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Vincent isnt that likable either...Sora gets to be the main in a hugely
popular game series and that helps...like pretty much any of the NN
>_> --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| MnMZero | Posted 8/8/2007 4:20:22 PM | message detail |
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Eh, Mega Man/Vincent would probably go 51/49 or something. Vincent might be in position to beat him based on what you take out of the stats, but it doesn't mean that it will actually happen. --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/8/2007 4:20:45 PM | message detail |
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So a TP boost doesnt help Dorf at all...nor MM's increasing irrelevance to gaming? in a word, no. Mega Man is gonna be blasting that ass for a long time. a villain that is fairly characterless is not going to beat the Blue Bomber.. not yet. Ganondorf couldn't even pull some SFF on Samus, and he's from a far larger series. if anything, Samus was the one that benefitted. if you want a good guy for Ganondorf, Crono's the guy. --- xexyz |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/8/2007 4:21:33 PM | message detail |
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That may be your opinion, but Vincent obviously got his #3 order on the
FFVII tree from his aloof, reserved, "badass" personality and his
absolutely badass character design. All despite his optional status -
think how strong he'd be if he had come along when, say, Tifa did. Sora
is lacking quite a bit in both regards. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/8/2007 4:23:54 PM | message detail |
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Eh, Mega Man/Vincent would probably go 51/49 or something. Vincent
might be in position to beat him based on what you take out of the
stats, but it doesn't mean that it will actually happen. This is a common argument and something that I respect - but it's also almost like an implicit admission that if such is the case, that Vincent is actually stronger than Mega Man indirectly - just that he can't pull it off when the time comes due to whatever reasons. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/8/2007 4:26:31 PM | message detail |
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I dont think Sora gets in the contest based on people not liking him though I'm sure Vincent's generic badassery helps put him high up on the pecking order, just like a bunch of other characters in the contest, as people love a sort of cliche character, they are cool...I'm indifferent to Sora, but clearly someone does like the guy =| --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| MnMZero | Posted 8/8/2007 4:26:56 PM | message detail |
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No it's not. I'm simply saying that I wouldn't take Vincent to take down Mega Man regardless of what you can pull from stats. --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/8/2007 4:31:52 PM | message detail |
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I dont think Sora gets in the contest based on people not liking him though It's not that he's not likable - but he certainly is a love-hate character, particularly considering KH1. He continually swings a high seed thanks to the hardcore fans out there, and the KH faithful are going to be there to throw him more than a fair share of votes. The fanbases are somewhat different - but ultimately, it's Square, and Aeris/Sora proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt. And where the fanbase ends is where Vincent's advantage begins - the greatest, of course, is FFVII itself. And Dirge of Cerberus didn't hurt any... --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/8/2007 4:33:09 PM | message detail |
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Does Crisis Core come out this year...or was it pushed back again? --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/8/2007 4:36:41 PM | message detail |
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I forgot CC even existed until you mentioned it, which should give you an idea as to how much it'll matter for anyone. At any rate, it'll be out in Japan during the contest I think... for what that's worth. --- "TIME TO _____ THEN." - Karma Hunter, ABSENT 8 Commit it to memory. |
| wavedash101 | Posted 8/8/2007 4:38:35 PM | message detail |
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Thats worth...nothing =( Lots of FF stuff coming this year, especially for DS...but since none of it pretains to any of the popular characters, there wont be an affect I'd assume --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Annoying posters! I am the great wavedash! [no u cru] |
| ZFS | Posted 8/8/2007 7:05:45 PM | message detail |
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if you want a good guy for Ganondorf, Crono's the guy. I agree with pretty much what you've been saying. I think the ideal matches would be Mega Man vs. Vincent or Crono vs. Ganondorf. I wouldn't even include Tifa or Zelda into that, either. Those are about the only two scenarios where I could see something crazy happening. And I think the likelihood of seeing those two matches play out would be pretty low. --- "We need to remember -- to spread the word -- to fight for change." - Snake |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/8/2007 8:18:27 PM | message detail |
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So uhhhh, thoughts on Master Chief's short term and long term contest
strength in the midst of this apparent heavy advertising campaign? --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| swirIdude | Posted 8/8/2007 8:22:19 PM | message detail |
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Not much improvement. I don't think there is much more the Halo series can do to make Master Chief stronger in these contests. --- Pokemon FC: 0129 8285 9148 Dude, the Romans didn't slap two pieces of stone together, minus adhesive, and call it a day. ~WVI |
| ZFS | Posted 8/8/2007 8:22:30 PM | message detail |
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No idea. Microsoft's going above and beyond with the ad campaign, though. Pretty crazy. --- "We need to remember -- to spread the word -- to fight for change." - Snake |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/8/2007 8:25:01 PM | message detail |
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Anyway, another question. Did we ever figure out WHAT THE h3ck WAS
GOING ON with Sonic/Luigi last year? Sonic didn't boost, and Luigi
rose, so... Was it some weird SFF thing? A fluke? Did Smurf rally his
furry friends? Well... Luigi/Sonic was predicted almost the same as the year before... Sonic won by .5% or so more than he was supposed to, and I don't think Luigi rose (plus, Bowser did not show such a sign, for what it's worth). True, he beats Zero and Kirby by more than expected, but Mega Man seemed weaker and Kirby disappointed against PoP, suggesting they both might've weakened... basically, I see a pretty good argument either way for Luigi/Sonic's legitimacy. I wanna see Sora/Aeris II. or Sora/Tidus. I've made up my mind on Sora vs. Aeris... here is my bold statement: Aeris no longer gets any SFF advantage at all against Sora. I never said MM isn't overrated, I said I don't think he's nearly overrated to the extent everyone else believes he is. It takes only a slight dip for MM to lose to Vincent. You basically HAVE to say Mega Man stayed constant in order for him to have been above Vincent's strength. Ooh, I never expected anyone to say Auron would probably beat Mega Man. I like that... --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/8/2007 8:25:42 PM | message detail |
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Advertising won't make him stronger. The fact that he's getting a new game on another system will, though. If he lasts that long. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/8/2007 8:54:56 PM | message detail |
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Advertising won't make him stronger. This isn't just regular advertising... this is a media blitz. --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/8/2007 9:03:01 PM | message detail |
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I just can't imagine a Mega Man/Vincent match to not heavily favor
Vincent after what I saw Sora do to him. Sora just isn't that likable,
and Vincent is a clear rung and then some up on the Square pecking
order. What exactly did Sora "do" to him? Perform better than expected only a few months after a very successful sequel where his role became much more serious and less mind-numbingly annoying than his first appearance? Sora/Mega Man wasn't the only match that Sora showed that he was completely boosted from the Sora we were used to. Look at his 64% on Gordon Freeman, who a year prior managed to break 42% on Leon Kennedy. I remember after 2k5 everyone was wondering what the hell was going on with Gordon looking so comparitively strong. Actually, could someone run the numbers there, seeing as we have 2 common characters in Gordon and Mega Man. TuRtLe ~~~ "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" -trancer1 BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/8/2007 9:07:18 PM | message detail |
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Basing Mega Man off 2K5 Gordon: x-stat value is... 34.54% on BL. I
don't trust the linearity of Sora or Gordon that much, though. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/8/2007 9:10:57 PM | message detail |
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There are perfectly logical explanations for Luigi that help make the entire rest of that division fit. We've already seen the effects of Mega Man/Mario overlap, both in Zero/Mario and Mega Man/Yoshi. And obviously Luigi managed to SFF Kirby enough so that it looked like he boosted. When in fact, he and Sonic stayed relatively the same as they were in 2k5. TuRtLe ~~~ "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy" -trancer1 BlAcK TuRtLe. The cream of Zero fanboyism |
| ZFS | Posted 8/8/2007 9:15:58 PM | message detail |
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Yeah. What Microsoft is doing with Master Chief and Halo is a wee
bit different from your standard advertising. It's not every day you
see a videogame being in commercials by Pontiac, nor on your fries and
cup at Burger King, or in the grocery store prominently on a bottle of
Mountain Dew. And tt's not so much the fact that Master Chief on your
Burger King fries feels you with an urge to go vote for him in a poll,
but it just raises the awareness that Halo is coming and sucks millions
of people into its hype machine. And there is no hype like Halo hype;
that **** is palpable. Still have no idea what it would do for him in a contest, though, but he'll be using the hype at its peak levels along with the post-game release. He'd need to pull one of those divisions like tran made a while back to really make use of it, I'd imagine. He might be in a position where it's one and done. --- "We need to remember -- to spread the word -- to fight for change." - Snake |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/8/2007 9:36:12 PM | message detail |
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I posted this elsewhere, but I'll do it again. I don't think Halo uberhype is going to change much. his fans already vote him over everything, and his anti-fans already vote everything over him. it's not like Halo is an unknown quantity here. the only way I'd buy a huge change is if he went through a radical change - think WW Link to TP Link. it might help him a smidge, but not more than that. this isn't Raiden getting a complete makeover. this isn't Snake in a Nintendo game. this is the same Master Chief in the same Halo game. --- xexyz |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/8/2007 9:42:58 PM | message detail |
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I don't know about you, but every time I go to Burger King from now on,
all I'll be thinking is "Damn, this cup is snazzy. I think I want to go
to GameFAQs and vote for Master Chief." --- Nominate Gilgamesh from Final Fantasy V for SC2k7! http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/feedback/contest_nominate_cb6.php |
| ZFS | Posted 8/8/2007 9:45:30 PM | message detail |
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Definitely a good point. One thing I might mention, though, is that there's a lot of middle ground there with Chief. He's got the extremes covered -- those who will vote him over everyone and those who will vote him over no one -- but I think those who are generally in the middle with Chief might lean toward voting for him than not. The hype of Halo and the game actually releasing should at least help him more than it would if the contest were taking place a year after the game had come out and he had settled back into being just regular ol' Chief. Guess we'll find out, though. He probably won't be in a position to really use any of the hype. --- "We need to remember -- to spread the word -- to fight for change." - Snake |
| Lopen | Posted 8/8/2007 9:45:55 PM | message detail |
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Nah, there are a bunch of undecided in Chief matches. I refuse to
believe everyone who votes him votes him all the time and vice versa. And man, just wait till the kiddies wake up, head to Burger King, and have their Master Chief coke. They come back and vote. WHAT NOW, Crono? --- Lopen is bye bye. Now is ninja time. |
| ZFS | Posted 8/8/2007 9:47:20 PM | message detail |
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I'm so getting one of those cups just for the "BELIEVE." Everything is better with a nice hearty amount of believe. --- "We need to remember -- to spread the word -- to fight for change." - Snake |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/8/2007 9:47:59 PM | message detail |
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I agree that there's some middle ground there. it's just not as big - not even close - as other characters. --- xexyz |
| swirIdude | Posted 8/8/2007 9:48:42 PM | message detail |
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GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007! --- Pokemon FC: 0129 8285 9148 Dude, the Romans didn't slap two pieces of stone together, minus adhesive, and call it a day. ~WVI |
| ZFS | Posted 8/8/2007 9:50:19 PM | message detail |
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Yeah. It's not a huge middle ground, and it probably won't make a world
of difference, but it'd help in those close matches -- what's up
Sub-Zero! --- "We need to remember -- to spread the word -- to fight for change." - Snake |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 8/8/2007 9:50:24 PM | message detail |
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I think the fact that Microsoft has become more "acceptable" in the
mainstream is going to be a bigger factor than the media blitz. I know
I used to be a rather large detractor back in the Xbox days - which
isn't true at all this gen. --- Nominate Gilgamesh from Final Fantasy V for SC2k7! http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/feedback/contest_nominate_cb6.php |
| swirIdude | Posted 8/8/2007 9:55:25 PM | message detail |
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Pfft, you CLEARLY understimate the thoughts of a voter loaded with Master Chief Mountain Dew. --- Pokemon FC: 0129 8285 9148 Dude, the Romans didn't slap two pieces of stone together, minus adhesive, and call it a day. ~WVI |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 8/8/2007 9:58:04 PM | message detail |
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Thoughts? "Solid Snake Soda would taste so much better." *anti-votes Chief in spite* --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| ZFS | Posted 8/8/2007 10:05:55 PM | message detail |
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Manliest drink on the planet right there. Someone needs to get on that, maybe even call it "S3"! --- "We need to remember -- to spread the word -- to fight for change." - Snake |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/8/2007 10:07:04 PM | message detail |
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I think the fact that Microsoft has become more "acceptable" in the
mainstream is going to be a bigger factor than the media blitz. I know
I used to be a rather large detractor back in the Xbox days - which
isn't true at all this gen. Exactly. Xbox hate going down + Halo 3 + Mc's no slouch = He doesn't need your sympathy. I mean, this "Mc's probably going to lose his first match stuff" is silly. He lost to an untested Sub Zero the same week a new Mortal Kombat game came out. Sure, it isn't a high profile release, but it's still pretty opportune for Sub Zero, wouldn't you say? I'm not worried about MC escaping round one, and I think he's got enough in his corner to merit it. --- One of the most troublesome things in life is that what you do or do not want has little to do with what does or does not happen. ~ Lemony Snicket |
| transience | Posted 8/8/2007 10:18:36 PM | message detail |
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I can't tell you how many times I saw this argument in 2005.. to the point that MC was expected to walk all over Donkey Kong. MC will escape round 1 if he gets a weak enough opponent.. simple as that. pretty obvious thinking right there, but that's what it comes down to. if he gets a "normal" 7 or 8 seed then yeah, he'll make it through no problem. I don't think 360 acceptance is going to turn people into Master Chief fans, though, not when there isn't even a game out on your system. I'll be interested to see him make round 2 though. I want to see the power of Halo mid-contest. --- xyzzy 8-bit plastic love machine |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/8/2007 10:20:11 PM | message detail |
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Master Chief didn't lose to Sub-Zero because of Mortal Kombat
Armageddon. Come on now. Sub-Zero was the more popular character. And
I'm not saying that Master Chief will immediately benefit from this. But still, this is a serious
hype machine. The only other video game characters that are plastered
in the main stream media like this are the Marios and the Sonics (back
in the day). --- Currently playing: Guitar Hero 2, Gears of War, Saint's Row, SotN (XBLA), Burnout Revenge |
| Lopen | Posted 8/8/2007 10:38:28 PM | message detail |
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Armageddon was released the very same day as the match, wasn't it? I don't feel biased in saying that Sub-Zero could've gained a % or two from that. --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/8/2007 10:40:12 PM | message detail |
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Two days earlier, I think. --- Rapid analysis, accurate judgment, and superb powers of concentration. That is all we need. |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 8/8/2007 10:43:56 PM | message detail |
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The problem here is that I don't think empty hype will do much for a
GameFAQs voter, who is infinitely more privy and involved in gaming as
a whole than an average Joe walking into 7-11. For Master Chief to
really increase in popularity, his games not only have to be good and
sell well (these are practically a given), but attract new audiences.
The infamous Halo DS, for example, would have done more for Chief than
Halo 2 and 3 combined. --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
| Lopen | Posted 8/8/2007 10:54:16 PM | message detail |
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Dude, I'm tellin ya. The newer audience that isn't already a fan of MC
might be swayed by this. Now originally they might've been voting Crono
because he looks like a DBZ character or Mega Man or Sonic because
they're blue, but now? They're gonna vote for the guy who they just
drank a beverage out of. I'm seriously not joking! --- "GUYS I JUST DRANK A MASTER CHIEF SODA, MASTER CHIEF FOR 2007!" - Swirldude |
| JustForFun1988 | Posted 8/8/2007 11:02:26 PM | message detail |
| Is there anyone here who is bold enough to admit that he will take Tifa as the champion of this year contest. I know self delusional Vlado will do it but i am just curious as if anyone is having the same opinion as Vlado. |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 8/8/2007 11:16:49 PM | message detail |
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In a serious bracket, not even Vlado would do that, although some fans might... Just For Fun. *audience goes nuts* --- yoblazer33: NO LIMITZ Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your world! |
