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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 9:10:39 PM | message detail
The only way I see Pikachu not making the third round, is if Vivi turns out to be an absolute monster after his KH2 appearance, and can subsequently SFF Tidus as bad as Squall did.

I can't really see either happening.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/15/2007 9:10:41 PM | message detail
the second runner-up going to the third round is pretty much between Tidus/Vivi and I'm kinda split on that but I may go with Vivi. surviving against Sephiroth > getting rolled over by Squall.
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THEVinceYoung | Posted 8/15/2007 9:11:06 PM | message detail
Because people HATE Pikachu. Beating out Leon, Tidus, and Vivi? Yeah, considering this is the guy who got destroyed by Fox McCloud in 2003, I don't like his chances.
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ZFS | Posted 8/15/2007 9:11:32 PM | message detail
Because even splitting those fanbases in half is more than enough to advance past Pikachu. If he makes it to round 2, he's up against three characters with real fanbases, not "He's from company X and everyone else sucks votevotevote." You can only ride that "sole Nintendo character" piece so far before it gets out of hand. You're saying -- of sound mind and body -- that people will actually be voting Pikachu in greater numbers than either Vivi or Tidus.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 9:12:34 PM | message detail
Never said he'd beat out Leon, and he would probably not win 1v1 with Tidus or Vivi, but with this format, coupled with Tidus/Vivi killing each other and Pikachu being the sole Nintendo character, this seemed like a no-brainer to me.

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Nobody9090 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:13:37 PM | message detail
Pikachu is getting crushed in the second round. Anyone who says otherwise is trying to sell you something.

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Draco1214 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:13:39 PM | message detail
Since when was Pikachu supposed to be having a core following again?

He's up against two FF characters (one who looks like a universal image of the franchise) and the star of RE4. Pikachu is getting last place and by some distance.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 9:13:58 PM | message detail
You guys are putting too much faith in old stats from 2002.

But w/e, we'll see who's laughing when the time comes.

Now, let's just assume for a second that I'm right, and the round 3 is Leon/Dante/Pika/Balthier, how would that go down?

Dante > Balthier?

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HaRRicH | Posted 8/15/2007 9:14:28 PM | message detail
Yeah, you could replace Leon Kennedy with an even stronger Square character of your choice (which might even include Cloud), and Pikachu is going to have a really hard time ousting Vivi.
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ZFS | Posted 8/15/2007 9:15:16 PM | message detail
I can't even "pretend" that Pikachu makes it to the third round. Way too crazy.

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Nobody9090 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:15:40 PM | message detail
Balthier is going to be surprisingly strong.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/15/2007 9:16:21 PM | message detail
coupled with Tidus/Vivi killing each other and Pikachu being the sole Nintendo character, this seemed like a no-brainer to me.

but Tidus and VIvi won't kill each other that bad. Pikachu may be the sole Nintendo character but he can't go as far as to even come close to Vivi and Tidus slightly weakened.
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:16:29 PM | message detail
Balthier isn't even the star of a game that's on par with FF9 in popularity. He's going to bomb and the only reason he has a free pass to Round 3 is because he got a really lucky draw.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 9:16:31 PM | message detail
Pikachu doesn't have a core following, but Pokemon the series does, as evidenced by the BSE by it going nearly even with Metroid. Not to mention the fact that Diamond/Pearl are relatively new, Nintendo support and Smash hype are both at an all-time high, and Pikachu is easily the most recognizable character there. This seems fairly obvious to me.

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Master Moltar | Posted 8/15/2007 9:17:01 PM | message detail
So what am I really hearing is that just because Pikachu is Nintendo, the hive-mind Nintendo fans vote for Pikachu over the others. Not because they necessarily like Pikachu, but just because he's Nintendo?

mommy stop the ride i wanna get off

And taking Vivi out of that Round 3 match messes everything up.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/15/2007 9:18:52 PM | message detail
I surely wouldn't take Pikachu over Vivi/Tidus in a direct match, and I wouldn't in a four-way poll with them together.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/15/2007 9:19:40 PM | message detail
2k2 stats or not, do you take Pikachu > DK? If not, you wouldn't find it wise to take Pika > Vivi then. Pikachu got 20% on a pre-KH Cloud (no SFF) while Vivi got, what, 28% against a post-KH Sephiroth (who seemingly resisted SFF)? Tidus ain't going to hurt Vivi much, and Leon's got a much larger fanbase than Pikachu.

I've got Pika in round two, but he'll have to fight for even the #3 position, much less surviving another round.
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ZFS | Posted 8/15/2007 9:20:49 PM | message detail
Pikachu doesn't have a core following, but Pokemon the series does, as evidenced by the BSE by it going nearly even with Metroid. Not to mention the fact that Diamond/Pearl are relatively new, Nintendo support and Smash hype are both at an all-time high, and Pikachu is easily the most recognizable character there. This seems fairly obvious to me.

You, sir, have bested me.

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Nobody9090 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:21:59 PM | message detail
Nintendo and Square share many of the same fanboys. Pikachu isn't going to have this huge advantage over the others in this match because, let's face it, Pikachu sucks.


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HaRRicH | Posted 8/15/2007 9:22:40 PM | message detail
I love HM's snarky comments, for the record.
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ESY16 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:23:22 PM | message detail
So, how does Tidus/Vivi/Leon/Pikachu go down?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 9:23:51 PM | message detail
Balthier isn't even the star of a game that's on par with FF9 in popularity. He's going to bomb and the only reason he has a free pass to Round 3 is because he got a really lucky draw.

lol wut?

Last I checked, 12 was really liked among the Squareheads and outsold 9 by a fair amount both here and Japan.

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YoAriel33 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:25:20 PM | message detail
You, sir, have bested me.

YOU WILL NEVER SAY THIS AGAIN.

*hugs Mega Man > Link 2K4 memories*
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:26:09 PM | message detail
lol wut?

Last I checked, 12 was really liked among the Squareheads and outsold 9 by a fair amount both here and Japan.


Somebody please summon the latest favorite FF poll for BT.
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Nobody9090 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:26:24 PM | message detail
Balthier is a little weaker than Vincent in my estimation.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 9:27:03 PM | message detail
What I guess I'm trying to say, is that while he probably won't be another Auron, Balthier should do fairly good in these contests, probably comfortably above Vivi's level.

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YoAriel33 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:27:48 PM | message detail
Hmm... I'm trying to think who's going to vote for Pikachu against two very likable, much more popular characters and the FFX lead.
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:28:07 PM | message detail
Ah, here it is:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2593
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:29:13 PM | message detail
Remember when people were using the release of R/S to say Pikachu > Fox. Top FAQ list means nothing.

Pokemon hate has died down which is why I'm taking Pikachu to the next round, but Pikachu is not as strong as Vivi and Tidus after they SFF each other. If a third FF character was present I can see Pikachu squeezing by.
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kupodood | Posted 8/15/2007 9:29:52 PM | message detail
Ok., here's some questions I have:

Who goes second to Sonic in the first round? PoP or Sub-Zero?

Who goes second to Sora in the first round? Wesker or Lara?

Kratos/DK/Marth/Prince.... Kratos > DK?

Can Laharl beat a Tetris block and a PS3 exclusive character?

and

Can Ike make the third round?
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/15/2007 9:30:13 PM | message detail
It's worth noting that Pikachu's first match consists of four RPG characters and, assuming he survives, his second match will have three RPG characters and a survival-horror star. Pikachu is arguably the weakest in general strength for his second match, too, and Vivi held up great to Sephiroth so Tidus won't be much of a factor to him. For Pikachu to advance, Leon would have to bomb and Vivi would have to SFF Tidus all to hell...and Vivi is no Squall.
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Big Bob | Posted 8/15/2007 9:32:26 PM | message detail
Pikachu's getting out of the first round for sure, but no way is he getting to Round 3.
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Nobody9090 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:33:31 PM | message detail
L-Block is going to beat Laharl.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 9:34:17 PM | message detail
For Pikachu to advance, he just needs to be at Peach's level or so, and have Vivi/Teedusj split the vote giving Leon/Pika the win.

As for that poll, how long after FF12 came out was it held? Because unless it was sometime in the last 2 or 3 months, I can't really take the results with a grain of salt.

Also lol @ ff9 in that poll

I've always said 8 was more popular, but people never listened.

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ZFS | Posted 8/15/2007 9:35:39 PM | message detail
For Pikachu to advance, he just needs to be at Peach's level or so, and have Vivi/Teedusj split the vote giving Leon/Pika the win.

Is Pikachu your favorite character? Is that what this is?

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Nobody9090 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:35:51 PM | message detail
L-Block is going to the third round.

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Draco1214 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:36:09 PM | message detail
FF12 could arguably be weaker now thanks to being overshadowed by the next gen console war.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 9:37:40 PM | message detail
I hate the yellow rat, but sometimes you have to put personal thoughts behind you.

Then again, considering the alternatives, Pikachu doesn't look that bad in either of his 4-packs

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Nobody9090 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:37:49 PM | message detail
If anything, the next-gen characters aren't going to be as strong as some are expecting.

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yoshifan823 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:39:35 PM | message detail
Well, he is, in his own right, a very likeable (read: cute) character. And from a popular game. I'm thinking that Pika-Pika can do it. The anti-voting of the rat is long over, because no one gives a crap about the TV show. And 10 year olds will come here for 'Mon help, and see Pikachu, and vote him. No 10 year old has played RE4, and most could care less about FF.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 9:40:38 PM | message detail
Looking at the list, seems as though that poll was less than 2 months after 12 came out. Hold that poll again and the results will be different, I guarentee it.

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YoAriel33 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:40:39 PM | message detail
Turtle, just for the heck of it, can you please post a percentage prediction for Pikachu's second round match?
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Nobody9090 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:40:53 PM | message detail
L-Block would beat Pikachu.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 9:41:58 PM | message detail
Leon- 40%
Vivi- 20%
Teedus- 15%
Pikachu- 25%

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Draco1214 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:42:03 PM | message detail
Looking at the list, seems as though that poll was less than 2 months after 12 came out. Hold that poll again and the results will be different, I guarentee it.

Yeah, FF12 would probably do worse. Being overshadowed by a console war is the same thing that happened to your beloved FF9, too.
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dlcb1 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:43:12 PM | message detail
FFXII was out only 5 weeks when that poll was taken and it had already matched FFIX's level. At that point, ownership level was at 38%. There's no doubt that in the past eight months FFXII has garnered a lot more followers. I think FFXII's performance in that poll was rather impressive.
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Nobody9090 | Posted 8/15/2007 9:43:12 PM | message detail
So, you think percentage wise, Leon will have a higher percentage than two Square characters combined.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 9:43:15 PM | message detail
Actually, FF9 was never undershadowed IIRC. People were disappointed from the day it came out with how much of a step backwards it was after 6 7 and 8.

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swirIdude | Posted 8/15/2007 9:44:03 PM | message detail
Oh god, this Pikachu love is hilarious.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/15/2007 9:45:06 PM | message detail
I would take Leon > Vivi

45% on Bowser > 40% on Zelda

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