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H__RR____H | Posted 6/25/2008 11:59:34 AM | message detail
Olimar doesn't have to agree with me!

Sorry little guy.....
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/25/2008 12:24:43 PM | message detail
The biggest travesty of the SSE is that there's no Crazy Hand, and yet for some reason, he appears in Boss Battles mode!
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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/25/2008 2:37:00 PM | message detail
With the latest update to the Nintendo Channel, it's now possible to pull Wii play data from all of the people that have agree to make their stuff public. Using this new information, we're able to get a rough estimate of how many people have purchased/played VC, Wii Ware, and Wii games. More info on the subject here if you're interested

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But anyways, here's how those results come out:

Top 40 Best-Selling Virtual Console Games (North America only)
1 Super Mario Bros. NES Nintendo 662,000
2 Super Mario Bros. 3 NES Nintendo 618,000
3 Super Mario World SNES Nintendo 483,000
4 Mario Kart 64 N64 Nintendo 469,000
5 Super Mario 64 N64 Nintendo 423,000
6 Legend of Zelda, the NES Nintendo 323,000
7 Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, the N64 Nintendo 310,000
8 Paper Mario N64 Nintendo 280,000
9 Kirby's Adventure NES Nintendo 271,000
10 Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, the SNES Nintendo 263,000
11 Star Fox 64 N64 Nintendo 255,000
12 Super Mario Bros. 2 NES Nintendo 250,000
13 Punch Out!! Featuring Mr. Dream NES Nintendo 246,000
14 Donkey Kong Country SNES Nintendo 231,000
15 Super Metroid SNES Nintendo 211,000
16 Sonic the Hedgehog GEN Sega 180,000
17 SMB: The Lost Levels NES Nintendo 175,000
18 Pokemon Snap N64 Nintendo 160,000
19 Kid Icarus NES Nintendo 149,000
20 Gunstar Heroes GEN Sega 128,000
21 Metroid NES Nintendo 121,000
22 Bomberman '93 TG16 Hudson 120,000
23 Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards N64 Nintendo 115,000
24 Yoshi's Story N64 Nintendo 107,000
25 Super Castlevania IV SNES Konami 105,000
26 Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest SNES Nintendo 104,000
27 Sin & Punishment N64 Nintendo 102,000
28 Sonic the Hedgehog 2 GEN Sega 99,000
29 Zelda II: The Adventure of Link NES Nintendo 98,000
30 Street Fighter II: The World Warrior SNES Capcom 89,000
31 Contra III SNES Konami 87,000
32 Sonic the Hedgehog 3 GEN Sega 83,000
33 Galaga NES Namco Bandai 82,000
34 Tecmo Bowl NES Tecmo 76,000
35 Bubble Bobble NES Taito 74,000
36 Toe Jam & Earl GEN Sega 71,000
37 Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting SNES Capcom 69,000
38 SimCity SNES Nintendo 63,000
39 F-Zero X N64 Nintendo 59,000
40 Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble SNES Nintendo 49,000

Holy Mario, Batman!

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voltch | Posted 6/25/2008 2:38:10 PM | message detail
With Brawl coming out in Europe now,will that give any noticeable boost to a particular character like say snake?
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Typhoid Larry | Posted 6/25/2008 2:54:51 PM | message detail
27 Sin & Punishment N64 Nintendo 102,000

:hellyeah:
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/25/2008 5:46:43 PM | message detail
Mario Kart 64 > Mario 64 confirmed.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/25/2008 7:48:08 PM | message detail
MK64 > SM64 > LoZ:OoT!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/25/2008 7:49:47 PM | message detail
OoT/Mario rSFF confirmed.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/25/2008 8:53:19 PM | message detail
By the way, for those of you who are calling for Charizard to be so strong, who's the highest character you would take him over?

I only ask this because I saw a fourpack that had Charizard matched up against Alucard, and the thought of taking the former to win made my head hurt, despite how feasible it might be.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/25/2008 10:49:01 PM | message detail
No higher than Alucard for me...though I kinda wonder if Alucard's going to hold up much longer.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/25/2008 11:13:04 PM | message detail
Alucard seemed to rebound last year from his junky performance in 2006 to me, but the format is absolutely worthless. At the very least, he's still decently above the fodder line and I'd have no qualms taking him to beat Ness.

At the same time, the thought that Yuna would beat him handily is strange. Well, she'd get 55.5% on him, which isn't a blowout, but still handily.
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Warsola | Posted 6/25/2008 11:35:35 PM | message detail
Honestly, well-knowns + Smash tend to have significant strength. As much as people want to consider last year's format useless, Mewtwo showed some real strength. I'd consider Charizard to be at least as popular among Pokemon fans as Mewtwo, and Brawl has up to this point been far-and-away the game-to-own of this generation among GameFAQS users.

For reference, Captain Falcon is expected to get 40% on Alucard. Ness is expected 42%. I can't see Pokemon not helping Charizard make up the difference. He's not going to get anti-voted like Pikachu.

Note, this is based purely on 2k6 (2k5 in the case of Ness), because if we take 2k7 "X-stats" remotely seriously, Pikachu is equal to 2k6 Alucard in beating current Alucard 57-43. >_>
HaRRicH | Posted 6/25/2008 11:36:59 PM | message detail
Well, he didn't impress against Sora in 2k5 before he was trounced in 2k6 against Auron. I think he had the Xbox Arcade release of C:SotN between 2k6 and 2k7...and he barely lost to Liquid in the first round last year (which isn't terribly impressive, given Liquid's past record). Then there's what you said about Yuna too. Alucard's just not had a good time in the past few years.

He's out of reach for the Ness's in a bracket for now though, yeah; Ness even had a favorable match last year. Three mainly-PS1-characters that aren't really well-known outside of their games against a SSB/M character who also came from Earthbound with its concentrated fanbase? I don't really know if those factors ended up meaning much statistically, but it was still bad for the kid to not take first or second. It would have been hard to ask for something more favorable for him, barring replacing Zidane with Simon Belmont or Soma Cruz.

All that said, I don't know how much higher he is over Ness's kind. He's probably not getting 45% against Yuna, and if Liquid pre-MGS4 was still even with Frog then Alucard's around the strength of Nintendo reps like...Donkey Kong? Peach? Meta-Knight? I'd take Charizard over them, I think.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/25/2008 11:40:26 PM | message detail
Mewtwo was so badly ****ed. I took the longshot of him getting second at Ryu's expense, and he almost took second at Bowser's instead (Toad be damned). The format was very favorable to Pokemon, yes, but Mewtwo would be beating quite a few characters one-on-one too. I would also think it would be hard to SFF him.
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Warsola | Posted 6/25/2008 11:42:34 PM | message detail
Mewtwo was so badly ****ed. I took the longshot of him getting second at Ryu's expense, and he almost took second at Bowser's instead (Toad be damned). The format was very favorable to Pokemon, yes, but Mewtwo would be beating quite a few characters one-on-one too. I would also think it would be hard to SFF him.

Really, all I need to be convinced of Mewtwo's strength is him going basically 50-50 with Bowser after 2 PM EST. I mean, sure Toad was there, but still...a remotely significant non-Nintendo would have probably hurt Bowser more than Toad did.
Warsola | Posted 6/25/2008 11:46:50 PM | message detail
Another thing to pull from that match. In order to be equal to Alucard, Mewtwo needed only 28% of the Ryu or Toad vote to be equal to Alucard.

...I feel like a stat freak now. >_>
HaRRicH | Posted 6/25/2008 11:58:32 PM | message detail
I figure much more than half of Toad's would have gone to Bowser and I doubt Ryu would have seen much of whatever Toad left after that -- giving it to Mewtwo. However, I'm not about to guess at specific numbers on that or how the numbers would split if Ryu wasn't there. Mewtwo'd have a logical chance at 28% there, but I wouldn't count on Toad for much of it.

Plus, because of SFF, we dunno how accurate of a number that is for Mewtwo...



...I'll stop ruining the fun though. Mewtwo >> Alucard!
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Warsola | Posted 6/26/2008 12:00:36 AM | message detail
Indeed. Stop ruining the fun. Charizard will crush Alucard.


All part of the Plan.



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MarioSuperstar | Posted 6/26/2008 12:06:55 AM | message detail
yeah, i figured charizard/alucard would be a good match simply because of how close peach is and who honestly really likes peach?

pokemon came real close to metroid.. but it's never had its real characters represented well. i think charizard could feasibly be as strong as sub-zero/yuna.

but as weak as donkey kong.
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H__RR____H | Posted 6/26/2008 12:05:52 PM | message detail
Let's ask this and we'll go from there: if Charizard would have replaced Ness last year, what would have happened in Alucard/Liquid/Charizard/Zidane?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 6/26/2008 12:08:39 PM | message detail
i'm pretty sure charizard would have made mince meat out of them.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/26/2008 1:29:00 PM | message detail
With the format being advantageous to Pokemon, Charizard would've won, and he would've stood a chance at ousting Yuna in the second round. And maybe even an outside shot ousting Luigi and Ganon in the third.

In other words, I'm glad he wasn't there. I don't have a problem with Charizard (though Blastoise is better!), but two Pokemon taking advantage of LFF to get to the Quarterfinals would just suck.

As much as people want to consider last year's format useless, Mewtwo showed some real strength

I'm not convinced of that. I think Mewtwo managed to resist SFF against Bowser, and the LFF against Toad was enough to get him close. Plus, the format obviously isn't Bowser's best friend either (I mean, he lost to the guy he got nearly 59% on two years before). The only Pokemon who seemed to be affected by any LFF at all was Pikachu.

Not to say that Mewtwo would be fodder. I think he did well enough to prove he wasn't, but at the same time, he wasn't as strong as last year's fourpack would say either.

*extrapolates*

Well, Mewtwo would get about 40% on Ryu. I could buy that, actually. That's actually around 29% on BL. Forget what I said. He just looked even better because Bowser choked though.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 6/26/2008 1:38:23 PM | message detail
Let's ask this and we'll go from there: if Charizard would have replaced Ness last year, what would have happened in Alucard/Liquid/Charizard/Zidane?

With this format and in that division, I could see Charizard getting to the quaters. Alucard would have won over Liquid Snake, I think.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 6/26/2008 2:10:33 PM | message detail
*extrapolates*

how is this done in the format?
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/26/2008 2:11:48 PM | message detail
Just add up Ryu's and Mewtwo's individual vote totals and just make it basically like a match between those two alone.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 6/26/2008 2:15:47 PM | message detail
i guess that's the closest one could do it.. does it work better with stronger characters? does it flop with fodder?

and then there's considering the possibility of who the other votes would vote for. it's just hardcore fanbase vs hardcore fanbase.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/26/2008 2:17:10 PM | message detail
It's the best you can do, and excepting a few bizarre instances (Liquid/Alucard and Duke/Gordon, for example) and LFF, the proportions usually care over to other rounds, within a percent or two.
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TRE Public Account | Posted 6/26/2008 2:24:27 PM | message detail
Just add up Ryu's and Mewtwo's individual vote totals and just make it basically like a match between those two alone.

This is shaky at best. But it's not too bad here since you would expect the Bowser and Toad votes to favor Mewtwo which would mean 60-40 is probably still underrated Mewtwo a bit.
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/26/2008 2:26:01 PM | message detail
I don't really think Mewtwo was LFF'd that much, honestly. He did TOO good on Bowser for me to believe that.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/26/2008 7:10:03 PM | message detail
I think Mewtwo did the LFF'ing, not getting LFF'd. I'd take Mewtwo to get 40%-44% on Ryu; it's hard for me to narrow it much more than that.
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NominateSerge | Posted 6/26/2008 8:44:06 PM | message detail
Then basically that means he overperformed, and he didn't actually look as good as the match indicates.
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M_e_g_a_6_4 | Posted 6/26/2008 9:03:01 PM | message detail
So Mewtwo sapped some votes from Bowser. Does that mean he wouldn't get a majority of Bowser's votes if Bowser weren't there?

I don't know, I could see Mario and Pokemon having pretty similar fanbases, and they both have the villain thing going for them. I could see Mewtwo performing as expecting or even better.

As for Alucard, I feel he's going the way of Crono. The Pokemon Charizard with Brawl power versus a fading gem of the past? Charizard will drive a stake through the vamp's heart and roast him on a spit.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/27/2008 12:12:08 AM | message detail
Not necessarily -- one could say most of the votes he would have taken from Bowser were already taken from Bowser in the match. It just depends.

I won't call Alucard the next Crono yet -- he's not nearly strong enough and C:SotN isn't nearly as old or respected as CT,..but that's just a technicality. I wanna see Alucard one-on-one more more time before I start to really argue he's dropping. As is, he's just...well, not up to par for the past few years!
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/27/2008 7:03:18 AM | message detail
Not necessarily -- one could say most of the votes he would have taken from Bowser were already taken from Bowser in the match.

...Then he didn't LFF Bowser at all.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 6/27/2008 11:51:29 AM | message detail
From LeonhartFour Posted 6/25/2008 3:24:43 PM #152
The biggest travesty of the SSE is that there's no Crazy Hand, and yet for some reason, he appears in Boss Battles mode!

The biggest travesty of the SSE is that it exists.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 6/27/2008 11:54:40 AM | message detail
Oh lawd, more SSBB hatin Ulti
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/27/2008 1:23:38 PM | message detail
It's funny how Ulti gave SSBB a 2/10 -- easily the lowest score it had in the review-section the last time I checked -- yet I hear him talk about it almost as much as anybody else. I don't even see him talk about other stuff lately.
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HaRRicH | Posted 6/27/2008 1:51:32 PM | message detail
Oh, and I thought that would mean he DID LFF Bowser...and being able to get most of Bowser's votes if he wasn't in the match would mean he wasn't LFF'd.
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voltch | Posted 6/27/2008 2:08:36 PM | message detail
what's LFF already?
leached fanbase factor?
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TRE Public Account | Posted 6/27/2008 2:59:47 PM | message detail
Not necessarily -- one could say most of the votes he would have taken from Bowser were already taken from Bowser in the match. It just depends.

It's possible, but I wouldn't say likely. If you like Bowser or Toad the best of the 4, you're more likely to go to the next Nintendo character. Mewtwo doesn't even need to take the majority of the Bowser votes. If it takes more than 40%, Mewtwo will improve its percentage against Ryu. If nothing else, Mewtwo and Bowser split the "bottom tier SSBM character" vote. <_<

what's LFF already?
leached fanbase factor?


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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/27/2008 3:03:59 PM | message detail
The biggest travesty of the SSE is that it exists.

That's not true. The Subspace Emissary has SOME high points. Kirby riding the Dragoon, Snake's level, and...Well, those two are good enough!

And I have a feeling SSBB is the next OoT for Ulti!
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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/27/2008 3:04:14 PM | message detail
Could we please keep the Brawl is overrated talk to any of the other 767 topics on this board, please?

LFF is

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 6/27/2008 3:04:33 PM | message detail
It's funny how Ulti gave SSBB a 2/10 -- easily the lowest score it had in the review-section the last time I checked -- yet I hear him talk about it almost as much as anybody else. I don't even see him talk about other stuff lately.

I still the guy is just straight up trollin hard :P
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LeonhartFour | Posted 6/27/2008 3:14:52 PM | message detail
Actually, if we want to talk about SSBB, let's do this!

(1) Super Smash Bros. Brawl
(16) World of Warcraft

(8) Final Fantasy VI
(9) Resident Evil 4

(5) Metal Gear Solid
(12) Halo: Combat Evolved

(4) GoldenEye
(13) Final Fantasy X

(6) Chrono Trigger
(11) Grand Theft Auto IV

(3) Super Mario Bros. 3
(14) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker

(7) Final Fantasy Tactics
(10) Metroid Prime

(2) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
(15) StarCraft
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 6/27/2008 3:45:39 PM | message detail
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 6/27/2008 3:47:02 PM | message detail
Time for some ZyLogic

(1) Super Smash Bros. Brawl
(16) World of Warcraft

I would feel confident in Brawl, nothing can stop Nintendofanboys.

(8) Final Fantasy VI
(9) Resident Evil 4

Final Fantasy VI, I admit that the match got potential, but I really doubt RE4 can upset FFVI who has always looked good in poll (unlike the characters)

(5) Metal Gear Solid
(12) Halo: Combat Evolved

I really, really don't think this is match that is worth to discuss. The winner is obvious if you use common sense.

(4) GoldenEye
(13) Final Fantasy X

Hmmm. Everything tells me that FFX should be the favourite, but GoldenEye seems like one of those games that could surprise us all again in a poll.

(6) Chrono Trigger
(11) Grand Theft Auto IV

Which game got to the finals last time we had a spring contest. Everyone seems to doubt that GTA IV won't win the goty poll this year, and Chrono Trigger could've fallen a bit but it's still easily one of the tenth most popular games here.


(3) Super Mario Bros. 3
(14) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker


Another poll with an obvious winner, you just want us to discuss Chrono Trigger VS Smb3..


(7) Final Fantasy Tactics
(10) Metroid Prime


I never understood how FFT became so popular. But with a PSP remake and a new sequel, I think it could actually take down MP. I don't care about these two games.


(2) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
(15) StarCraft

The game which wins this match also wins against FFT/MP and should have an impressing loss to Chrono Trigger/Super Mario BRos 3. Why not go for Starcraft for the upset, Starcraft 2 hype.

Round 2:

SSBB
FFVI

Now here's a big generation shift. I dunno if I would trust Brawl to beat one of the most popular games in the second most popular series here, but I think the seed could be the deciding factor in this match, it's that tough to predict.

Metal Gear Solid
GoldenEye

Now here's a grudge match. PSX fans VS N64 fans, perhaps the two most important games in that generation. I'm actually going to side with Metal Gear Solid, I mean MGfans usually manages to cheat their series/characters to victory.

Chrono Trigger
Super Mario Bros 3

Chrono Trigger isn't getting any younger, but neither is SMB3. I don't think that matches between games is going to be different from what they were 4 years ago (The same goes with FFVII VS OoT, but now is not the time to talk about that. CT wins.

Final Fantasy Tactics
Starcraft

This match would be like Kingdom Hearts VS Starcraft.

Round 3:

SSBB
GoldenEye

I know everyone will say " Zylo, you're making less sense every day" but I still would give GoldenEye the honor. Why? Because a lot of dudes like me will think: Yeah GoldenEye was good times, Brawl can't compare with this nostalgia and vote for GoldenEye. And will anyone really complain about it if GoldenEye actually managed to win?

Chrono Trigger
Starcraft

The most interesting about this match is which game takes the early vote? Maybe Starcraft would get the day vote. But give me Chrono Trigger.

The strange division final.

GoldenEye VS Chrono Trigger.

How did I end up with this two as the final? I really make no sense. Gimme CT as the winner
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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/27/2008 4:36:16 PM | message detail
What is this, the 16 most interesting games together in one bracket? Hmm, let me sink my teeth into it.


(1) Super Smash Bros. Brawl > (16) World of Warcraft
- Even if these are all 16 great games, WoW is too much a wildcard to be fed a fodder match... it should really go against some respect old school title that it would have a change to rally past and upset.

(9) Resident Evil 4 > (8) Final Fantasy VI
- Should be a really good one, but I'm sticking with my stance that CT/FF6/LttP will have lost a few miles off their fastball by the time we see them in action again this year.

(5) Metal Gear Solid > (12) Halo: Combat Evolved
- Good match, and I think Halo 1 is the best representation for the series and will perform the best indirectly. Not to mention the Xbox fanbase has grown much larger since 2004. But between Snake in Brawl and MGS4 being so well received, it's going to take more than Halo to stop the series this year.

(4) GoldenEye > (13) Final Fantasy X
- Yikes, what a match for a first round! These seeds should really be reversed, because I'm sure GE would be coming into this match the underdog both here on the board and in overall brackets. No matter though, I'd still be backing it, despite how strong FFX looked in the Game of the Decade poll in January (because I think its performance there was vastly inflated by all the Nintendo LFF that was happening around it).

(6) Chrono Trigger > (11) Grand Theft Auto IV
- Yeah, I'm looking for CT to stumble, but not THIS far. GTA4 has sold well and been warmly received, and I'm backing it now to be the strongest entrant from the series, but even so CT should be a little too much for it. This would be an absolutely epic matchup though, as it would probably the biggest Night/Day vote swing we've ever seen.

(3) Super Mario Bros. 3 > (14) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
- Boo to Wind Waker! The real wildcard of the Zelda series is Majora's Mask- but in any case I think either of them deserves better than the Nintendo SFFing that Mario 3 could lay on them. I mark this one as a missed opportunity.

(10) Metroid Prime > (7) Final Fantasy Tactics
- Very tough decision. The FFT series continues to stay in the public eye with these handheld versions, but Metroid is still getting new titles as well, and considering that anyone who liked MP2 or 3 probably loved MP1 as well... I'd have to take it in a nailbiter.

(2) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > (15) StarCraft
- SC's another that's too interesting to be tossed into a fodder position normally, but I'll let it slide here because this would be the ultimate revenge match. And with Nintendo having boosted, site traffic being way up, and SCII still being too far away to have a real impact, I'd back TP to avenge Wind Waker's defeat without breaking a sweat.
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Ngamer64 | Posted 6/27/2008 4:36:25 PM | message detail
(1) Super Smash Bros. Brawl > (9) Resident Evil 4
- Good match, as RE4 probably stands up to the Brawl juggernaut than nearly any other title with a strong Nintendo connection, but it would still go down pretty easily here in R2.

(4) GoldenEye > (5) Metal Gear Solid
- The match we've wanted to see for years. Yes, MGS has everything going in its favor these days while GE has no momentum unless that Live/VC remake/rerelease can get back on track, but I still stubbornly cling to my roots and the nostalgia factor and would back GE in a tight one here.

(3) Super Mario Bros. 3 > (6) Chrono Trigger
- As I just posted above, Mario 3 is the #2 selling VC title of all time. Truth be told, it could probably top CT these days even without that added momentum, but that fact just convinces me further to back Nintendo in this latest in the Mario/Crono rivalry.

(2) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > (10) Metroid Prime
- Shame that Metroid's runs are always crushed by superior Nintendo competition, but oh well, if it survives FFT it will at least have had a chance to prove itself for going down.
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(1) Super Smash Bros. Brawl > (4) GoldenEye
- Again, good placement as once again GE would be a game to stand up to Brawl better than most other things, but it would still be defeated without making a serious threat. The most interesting thing would be to see if it could outdo RE4's percentage, IMO.

(2) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > (3) Super Mario Bros. 3
- Very good match of the Old and the New. But in 2008 I'm expecting the New to have an advantage over the Old (even when the Old have VC versions to keep them fresh), and of course you never want to bet against Zelda, so TP in a fairly tight one.
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(2) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > (1) Super Smash Bros. Brawl
- I honestly have no idea. Brawl has the advantage in recency, sales, and review scores, but TP has both Wii and GC support and is the latest Zelda game competing in a GameFAQs Contest. One of them would probably win with a margin of a few percentage points, as SFF affairs rarely go down to the wire, but which of them would have the advantage I honestly can't say. Give me TP for now just based on it being a better known commodity that has proven itself in the GotYs and GotD, whereas Brawl has the better upside but also the lower floor.


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Warsola | Posted 6/27/2008 4:48:11 PM | message detail
(1) Super Smash Bros. Brawl > (16) World of Warcraft

WoW will perform surprisingly well.

(9) Resident Evil 4 > (8) Final Fantasy VI

FF6 isn't getting any younger, while RE4 could be one of the 3 strongest games to come out since the Games Contest

(5) Metal Gear Solid > (12) Halo: Combat Evolved

I refuse, REFUSE to take MGS going down to a game I don't really enjoy.

(13) Final Fantasy X > (4) GoldenEye

I like me my Goldeneye, but I highly doubt it can stand up to FFX's strength.

(6) Chrono Trigger > (11) Grand Theft Auto IV

CT hasn't fallen this hard.


Yet.

(3) Super Mario Bros. 3 > (14) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker

Honestly, I could see this being a major beatdown.

(10) Metroid Prime > (7) Final Fantasy Tactics

SC2k4 was before the super Nintendo boost. If that hadn't happened, this match would be going for FFT.

TP > Starcraft

Bnet won't find a way.

Brawl > RE4

Brawl will slaughter everything until the semi-finals.

MGS > FFX

MGS will be stronger than normal right now thanks to MGS4.

SMB3 > CT

CT has, however, fallen this far.

Zelda > Metroid

Yeah, sorry Samus. I'd have taken MP over CT, but Metroid just can't stand up to Mario or Zelda.

Brawl > MGS

This'll probably look like how Melee/MGS2 looked. Maybe closer.

SMB3 > Zelda

VC > lol new Zelda

Brawl > SMB3

And Brawl goes out looking like a beast, with it killing SMB3 the way it raped SMG's support.

Summary: MGS comes out looking godly. CT comes out looking like a little *****. lol corno
RPGuy96 | Posted 6/27/2008 5:05:00 PM | message detail
(1) Super Smash Bros. Brawl > (16) World of Warcraft
WoW's got potential, but not against Brawl.

(8) Final Fantasy VI > (9) Resident Evil 4
RE winning the day would be weird. I certainly think FFVI has lost a few steps since 2k4, but it should still beat RE4, if only just.

(5) Metal Gear Solid > (12) Halo: Combat Evolved
Doesn't take much to convince me that MGS outdoes Halo.

(13) Final Fantasy X > (4) GoldenEye
Despite 007's seed in the games contest I think these should be reversed. And, while I have a lot of respect for GoldenEye, I think FFX is out of its league.

(6) Chrono Trigger > (11) Grand Theft Auto IV
FFVI here might be interesting, though I'd pick RE4 over GTAIV. But even on a downswing I don't think CT has trouble here.

(3) Super Mario Bros. 3 > (14) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
I don't think there's much of match here. Oddly enough, I think the passing years hurts WW much more than SMB3.

(7) Final Fantasy Tactics > (10) Metroid Prime
When in doubt, remember that FFT and MGS had an extremely close match. I don't think Prime can take this, though it would be a very interesting match.

(2) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > (15) StarCraft
Nice revenge match, but I can't help but feel that StarCraft gets stomped.

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(1) Super Smash Bros. Brawl > (8) Final Fantasy VI
I actually might consider the other way, which is more than most people around here, but Brawl's got too much going for it.

(13) Final Fantasy X > (5) Metal Gear Solid
When in doubt, remember that FFT and MGS had an extremely close match.

(3) Super Mario Bros. 3 > (6) Chrono Trigger
Mario's surged and Crono's slumped since 2k4. Come on, Square, here's a remake I can get behind! Of course I get behind all your other remakes, but still.

(2) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess > (7) Final Fantasy Tactics
I'm somewhat conflicted on this one (WWMGSD), but I think TP can pull it off since I'd pick it against FFX and I've already shown I think FFX > FFT.

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(1) Super Smash Bros. Brawl > (13) Final Fantasy X
A revenge match that doesn't work out.

(3) Super Mario Bros. 3 > (2) The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Galaxy hung tight with TP in that GotM poll, and, while I have a fairly high opinion of SMG, I've got to believe that SMB3 is stronger by a fair margin. If it can beat CT it can beat TP.

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(3) Super Mario Bros. 3 > (1) Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Hmm. SMB3 is one of five game I'd consider over Brawl, and it's on the shakier end of the spectrum (along with CT). But I think Mario's finest can pull it off.
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