GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 557
| transience | Posted 8/24/2008 5:05:43 PM | message detail |
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he still beat Sub-Zero with some room to spare. will Yoshi beat Sub-Zero while being held down by Fox? who knows. --- xyzzy |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/24/2008 5:08:10 PM | message detail |
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I think so since Fox isn't going to do to Yoshi what Squall does to Sora. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| transience | Posted 8/24/2008 5:11:01 PM | message detail |
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I dunno, Yoshi ain't exactly Mario. Fox will get some votes. --- xyzzy |
| smitelf | Posted 8/24/2008 5:11:17 PM | message detail |
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Wait, what? There are people here who think Sora has a prayer in that match? I took Squall > Yoshi without thinking twice. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Biden/Obama...er, I mean Obama/Biden '08! |
| transience | Posted 8/24/2008 5:13:44 PM | message detail |
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that's your fault, not mine. :) --- xyzzy |
| ffmasterjose | Posted 8/24/2008 5:17:50 PM | message detail |
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he still beat Sub-Zero with some room to spare. will Yoshi beat Sub-Zero while being held down by Fox? who knows. I'm a huge Mortal Kombat fan, and I would love to see Sub-Zero upset Yoshi like that. But it's probably not going to happen. Fox and Yoshi will SFF each other, but I don't think Sub has the capability to take advantage of it. Though that would be one sexy upset... --- 0/0 points - The Great GameFAQs Character Battle VII NP: Wario > Zack Fair |
| smitelf | Posted 8/24/2008 5:19:13 PM | message detail |
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Squall > Yoshi > Sora > Fox, and Sora's going to get LFFed by
Squall twice as much (at least) as Yoshi will get LFFed by Fox. Hence
nothing to think about. --- Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Biden/Obama...er, I mean Obama/Biden '08! |
| Lopen | Posted 8/24/2008 5:24:14 PM | message detail |
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People who are picking Sora have clearly forgotten Sora's round 3 match last year. He didn't "hang with Squall" Aeris just hurt Squall a lot more. Squall will pound Sora into the dirt. Yoshi will have plenty of breathing room. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/24/2008 5:26:32 PM | message detail |
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Right, but I think the point is that Sora won't. Fox will keep the
split between he and Yoshi smaller than Sora and Squall, but Squall
will probably destroy Sora again. Let me try this explanation... ...let's say in that poll, Squall/Sora get 54% and Yoshi/Fox get 46%. If Squall keeps the same distance from Sora that he did against Sonic/Sub-Zero, , Squall will get ~32.4% and Sora will get ~21.6%. If Yoshi/Fox can even 44% of the rest of the poll, then at least one of them will beat Sora. Yoshi will get more than 22% for sure, so Sora/Squall will have to get even more than 54% against two characters fresh off of SSBB, and one of them also had MKW and SMG (though Yoshi wasn't in it, it's still a huge Mario game so that'll bring more Mario fans). They're pretty strong in their own right, and aren't that much weaker. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/24/2008 5:49:10 PM | message detail |
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yes Sora bombed in the next match but who's to say it was due to
Squall? what if it was just Sonic? it's quite possible that Sora only
bombs to the noble nine or so. he was too close to Squall in the match before for me to consider that it wasnt Sonic at least.. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| Axem Turtle | Posted 8/24/2008 5:55:55 PM | message detail |
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Sora did fine against Mega Man. What last year showed us is that
Kingdom Hearts is different from Final Fantasy, but not completely
distinct. Aeris hurt Squall more than she hurt Sora. The next round
wasn't Sora being hurt, it was Squall gaining most of what Aeris left
behind. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/24/2008 5:56:53 PM | message detail |
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Being due to Squall is quite likely, plus Aeris is much more likely to hurt Squall than Sora. Sonic...not so likely. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| ZFS | Posted 8/24/2008 7:35:21 PM | message detail |
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Final thoughts on Zack for now: If you think the FFVII fanbase is
illiterate and colorblind, then Zack is on Cloud's level. Zack's
potential decreases depending on how intelligent you consider the FFVII
fanbase to be. I like to think that since the FAQs on this site require
reading ability, they will at least comprehend that Zack =/= Cloud. Anyone making the argument that Zack's going places because he looks like Cloud has the wrong idea. There's too many instances we've seen that disprove that idea. But his looks do help him - it screams FFVII; he has a cool design in just about any picture you give him. And I'd agree the average FFVII fan probably doesn't recall Zack all that well - provided that they haven't looked into Crisis Core, which isn't getting quite as fair a shake as it should - but I think there's a solid percentage of hardcore FFVII fans who are well aware of who he is. I'm banking on those guys and Crisis Core's exposure helping him out a good bit. But Zack is a risk - he's range is ridiculous, no doubt about it. He could barely get by the first round or he could cruise his way into the quarterfinals without a problem. Just a matter of figuring out what he's closer to. --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/24/2008 7:54:20 PM | message detail |
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Being due to Squall is quite likely, plus Aeris is much more likely to hurt Squall than Sora. Sonic...not so likely. what happens when you look at the individual total of votes from the characters? --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| Axem Turtle | Posted 8/24/2008 8:02:01 PM | message detail |
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I maintain that Zack should have no trouble getting out of that
division. His main competition will be Shadow, and he will be getting
killed by Link in that match. People saying Zack will be below the
fodder line are using the exact same arguments Kerrigan > Vincent
people used in 2005. I agree there's no way that Zack is at Vincent
levels, but he doesn't need
to be. He could be the same strength as say, Alucard, and still
comfortably make it out of Division 1 with Link. The only real threat
is if Niko winds up being really strong, but I wouldn't put money on it. --- Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/24/2008 8:07:39 PM | message detail |
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you know it's very possible Zidane could outlast Shadow if he does get "SFF'd" due to only being on nintendo consoles thus far. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| Lopen | Posted 8/24/2008 8:13:27 PM | message detail |
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Eh, I think you people are underestimating the average FF7 fan's memory. They'll remember Zack. Will they care about Zack? Well, no, probably not. But they'll remember. And yeah Sora getting "higher power SFFed" or something... seems kinda like grasping to me, to say the least. --- Prisoner number 4983-4750-0321 Nominate Raiden!: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44772404 |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/24/2008 8:16:05 PM | message detail |
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you know it's very possible Zidane could outlast Shadow if he does get "SFF'd" due to only being on nintendo consoles thus far. Shadow hasn't only been on Nintendo consoles... he's been on Xbox and PS2 in Sonic Heroes, 360 and PS3 in that next-gen Sonic game, and PSP in Sonic Rivals and Sonic Rivals 2... He's been everywhere. --- For your health. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/24/2008 8:19:03 PM | message detail |
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Yes, and all of those iterations received mixed reviews at best (Sonic Heroes) or were outright hated (Shadow the Hedgehog). The game that Shadow derives the vast majority of his strength from is Sonic Adventure 2 Battle. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/24/2008 8:20:20 PM | message detail |
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Yes, and all of those iterations received mixed reviews at best (Sonic Heroes) or were outright hated (Shadow the Hedgehog). The game that Shadow derives the vast majority of his strength from is Sonic Adventure 2 Battle. Oh, I don't deny that... but to say that he's only been on Nintendo consoles is just wrong ;>_> --- For your health. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/24/2008 8:22:02 PM | message detail |
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Ah, okay then. Forgot one: Sonic Next-Gen. Oh, what a case that was. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| steve illumina | Posted 8/24/2008 8:53:10 PM | message detail |
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Ah yes kiddies, the first analysis is done and ready...waiting for the
day before the first vote...to be posted for all to enjoy :) The excitement is building to a fever pitch! --- Steve Illumina: Sage of Board 8 & Elitist Analyst My daughter Rydia has made the contest at long last! |
| ChronicYouth | Posted 8/24/2008 8:59:05 PM | message detail |
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I'm gonna go ahead and say that neither Zack nor Shadow will be leaving division 1. i have no idea who will be, but i just get a feeling it won't be either of them. --- can you dig it? |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/24/2008 9:41:40 PM | message detail |
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Let me ask this: would you take Zack over any playable FF7 character? --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/24/2008 10:24:15 PM | message detail |
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This skepticism toward Zack is bordering on preposterous now. Honestly, he probably won't be that much. Honestly, he doesn't need to be. Shadow is a joke, doubly so in this format, and he's got Link in the match with him. I'd give BUSTER SWORD a damn good chance at knocking him out, even if you threw out any joke votes it got. Zack can bomb, but the odds of it happening are as low as you can pretty much get with the non-Brawl newcomers we've got on board. And any picture to the tune of http://www.square-enix.co.jp/ccff7/download/wp_zack_l.jpg should strike fear into any midcarder not carrying the second most iconic sword on this site. --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| Yesmar | Posted 8/24/2008 10:53:57 PM | message detail |
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Here's something I just thought of which I don't think has been brought
up yet. SMRPG just came out for the Virtual Console in Europe and now
people are clamoring for it be released here. I don't know if there's
plans yet to release it, but if it comes out right as the contest
starts could Geno be able to use it to sneak past Phoenix? Same with
Ness, since at least Earthbound's actually been rated by the ESRB, so
we know it's probably coming this year sometime. --- You need to meet someone at a garden, or a movie or something. Somewhere classy. Like a cooking recipe message board or something.--True Godhand/Curt |
| transience | Posted 8/24/2008 10:56:53 PM | message detail |
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man, who cares about Geno I'm not sold on a sword suddenly turning him into a midcarder, but even if it did, there's a decent chance that you're not going to get it, and if he did there's an even better chance it won't be all that recognizable in that small picture space. --- xyzzy |
| transience | Posted 8/24/2008 10:57:08 PM | message detail |
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on a side note, what is this http://jpoyry.pp.fi/milla/animeconv20070714/39.jpg --- xyzzy |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/24/2008 10:57:51 PM | message detail |
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That's two angsty people and....one of the Blues Brothers? ~*01010010 01001111 01000010*~ --- Xenosaga is way better then any crappy game you enjoy. http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3592/1182804410526mu7.jpg |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/24/2008 11:31:25 PM | message detail |
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I'm not sold on a sword suddenly turning him into a midcarder, but
even if it did, there's a decent chance that you're not going to get
it, and if he did there's an even better chance it won't be all that
recognizable in that small picture space. Point, but that's merely to illustrate exactly how dire straits Shadow could be in even in the Zack's worst case scenario of popularity. Pictures matter; and SB turned out some great ones out across the board last contest. And finally, I'm not sold on this idea of FFVII players not knowing who Zack is. I didn't buy it with Vincent (although not THAT many did), and I don't buy it here - whether it be here or real life, people know who Zack is. Walk on role or not, you can't go through FF7's story, this site's favorite story, and escape his presence. Of course the actual role itself doesn't merit terribly much. But the fact that it's FF7's, the similarity in appearance to Cloud, the sword, and yes, even CC should at least give Shadow backers pause here. (a side note - when has a Sonic character faced Link before? is there a chance we could see an MM-esque wasting?) --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| transience | Posted 8/24/2008 11:38:17 PM | message detail |
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there's a chance we can see anything. but after seeing Shadow hang with Mario, I'd have to say that I wouldn't expect it. --- xyzzy |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/24/2008 11:39:58 PM | message detail |
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Personally I'd expect Mario to waste Shadow if they met up again, even if Link couldn't here. But that's just me... --- turnturnturn your brain in turnturnturn your brain in |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 8/25/2008 1:12:52 AM | message detail |
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Tag. man my friend has Big Daddy comin in second in his match as a big upset. --- The Straight Up G WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| ZFS | Posted 8/25/2008 1:36:27 AM | message detail |
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Big Boss Jinjo Kirby Lucas i wonder --- Kept you waiting, huh? |
| greatone10 | Posted 8/25/2008 1:53:40 AM | message detail |
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I'm just curious, has anyone Google Image Searched Zack Fair to see
what comes up? The picture I see SB using would be this one. This is
the second result by the way. http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/f/f9/CC-Zack-Render.png I don't see the Cloud factor doing much for him here. --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. Brawl FC: 3050-7287-5564 Kart FC: 3738-0020-0896 |
| Malakuko | Posted 8/25/2008 1:56:00 AM | message detail |
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how does that not look like Cloud? if there's any sort of boost he'll
get from being Cloud with black hair, that's probably the best picture
he could get >_> --- http://img.imgcake.com//christ2.gif http://img.imgcake.com//dannynoriegaanimated.gif Mer I'm so important |
| WarThaNemesis2 | Posted 8/25/2008 1:57:33 AM | message detail |
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Malakuko (#286) Tiny sword, Mersh. ~*01010010 01001111 01000010*~ --- Xenosaga is way better then any crappy game you enjoy. http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3592/1182804410526mu7.jpg |
| greatone10 | Posted 8/25/2008 1:57:44 AM | message detail |
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Yesmar (#276) The problem with Geno is that he drew the worst possible opponent he could have drawn in Bowser. For as much of a fan favorite Geno is, Bowser is by far and away the best character in the game. --- Donkey Kong Country 2 for next Games contest. Brawl FC: 3050-7287-5564 Kart FC: 3738-0020-0896 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/25/2008 4:58:52 AM | message detail |
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Yeah...Bowser should crush him if Squall ever hurt him. --- NRT winners: Pokemon R/B/Y, Star Fox 64, Donkey Kong Country 2 http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=44623118 |
| Ultimaphazon | Posted 8/25/2008 6:05:18 AM | message detail |
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Samus Vincent Crono Ryu What's the general opinion? I currently have Smaus > Vincent, simply based on last year's results, but I'd love to see what this topic thinks. --- A pro isn't someone who sacrifices himself for his job. That's just a fool. - Reno, FFVII |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/25/2008 6:07:21 AM | message detail |
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it's possible only Link (and maybe Zero) held Crono back enough. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 |
| jonthomson | Posted 8/25/2008 6:17:56 AM | message detail |
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Samus Vincent Crono Ryu What's the general opinion? I have Samus>L-Block --- Jon Thomson - 1:10 pure 1:43 100% - HKP: 179 Obama '08 imo |
| H__RR____H | Posted 8/25/2008 6:30:31 AM | message detail |
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I'm still going with Vincent beating Crono for Samus > Vincent...I
think Vincent can legitimately beat Crono at this point, Vincent beat
him last year, and -- in case Link and Zero were defining reasons why
Vincent won -- Ryu and Samus weren't slouches on the SNES either. Super
Metroid is still arguably Samus's top game and SF2 sold like crazy (I
think it more sold on the SNES than Genesis, too...anybody confirm
that?). I'm not gonna say they together were to the SNES as Link/Zero,
but Crono's still not getting it too easy on that frontier. If Crisis
Core brought in more FF7 fans, that can only help Vincent's cause too. --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| MnMZero | Posted 8/25/2008 6:58:22 AM | message detail |
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Wait, why exactly is Zack given a freebie with Link in the poll with Shadow supposedly getting obliterated? Everyone
is going to get obliterated in that poll. I'm sorry, just being FFVII
doesn't mean you're going to be strong. There's going to be a drop-off
just like there has been with any other series. We've thought the same
thing before. Why is Ken so much weaker than Ryu? Why is Luigi so much
weaker than Mario? And Zack isn't even worthy of such a comparison to
Cloud. We've seen FFVII characters lined up and they grow weaker in
succession. Zack's probably going to be down there on that tier list.
If Shadow loses that, it's due to his own weakness, not Zack's strength. --- Proud Supporter of Zero |
| Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/25/2008 7:04:49 AM | message detail |
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I don't see Zack being any weaker than Sora. That should be enough for him to make it to the Quarterfinals. Everyone who has played FFVII and enjoyed it has to know who Zack is. And it's the most popular game. Ever! --- She may be your girl but that ass is mine! XBOX Live Gamertag: TriggerTRE |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2008 7:23:02 AM | message detail |
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If Shadow loses that, it's due to his own weakness, not Zack's strength. Bingo. Unfortunately for Shadow, he is really weak, and Link SFFing him is a very big possibility. --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
| H__RR____H | Posted 8/25/2008 7:32:42 AM | message detail |
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To go back to Zack, I found two polls that relate to him: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2752 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3043 Last year, CC:FF7 didn't even beat out GoW:CoO in the PSP-poll. Now, the March-poll (minus SSBB) suggests CC:FF7 built some steam since then. Still, this isn't a very clear reading; we don't know about any of those game's strengths...let's see if I can bounce around and find a poll with more familiar games. How about Army of Two -- it beat GoZ:CoO in the latter poll... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3006 ...ouch, lost to Wii Fit AND got doubled by Spore. CC:FF7 doubled Army of Two too, so maybe CC:FF7 = Spore. Okay, so if that's the case... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2747 ...Spore won this poll against rather poor competition. Hmmm, still doesn't tell us much. Let's look into GoW:CoO... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3164 ...oh dear. I knew it wasn't going to compete with the big three, but it still gets doubled by Persona 3. Beating TWEWY is probably the best CC:FF7 could hope for, and that doesn't sound great. How about how popular the PSP is here; maybe it's picked up lately... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=3139 ...~38% of the site has one. That's not a whole lot, though in a way it's impressive that it's probably still got more of an influence on the site than the PS3 (~7.5% more ownership and PSP > PS3 on the past two GotY-polls...haha, dang). We can probably assume it's the PSP's top game (I think it could beat GTA:LCS, MGS:PO, or FFT:WotL, at least), but this still doesn't say much about Zack or his game! How about looking at FF7 itself and see if we find anything... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2186 ...as of three years ago, 41.24% of the site has beaten FF7 two or more times. That number's probably gone down a bit, but that's still more than half of the people who have played FF7. I figure these people will be most likely to recognize Zack, especially with a picture and name...but there's hardly any reason to care for him solely from this game. Also, to compliment this... http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2357 ...45% have seen FF:AC. Although his roles are small in both (at least his active roles), I don't think Zack will have a hard time being recognized, especially with a good picture... ...but I think it's going to be on CC:FF7 to make people care about him, and CC:FF7 probably doesn't mean a whole lot to GameFAQs (though it may not have to in his route). It's PSP-exclusive and not much more meaningful than TWEWY or Spore (if any). If his black hair is prominent and his sword isn't, he's going to have to collect votes from either CC:FF7 or "Hey, I remember him." If his hair isn't prominent and his sword is, then "Hey, looks like Cloud" will help out some too...but I think the size of the picture is going to hinder that a lot. I figure more people remember him than we're giving credit, but less people care about him than we think too. Zack is likely an apathetic man's vote...which would then spark the question of how many apathetic people you're gonna get to vote, especially over other FF characters or just giving their vote to Link like most do. CC:FF7 is the reason he got nominated, but I don't think you can count on much more than that from the game. His fans from FF7 are going to have to decide how much they care about him. --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| H__RR____H | Posted 8/25/2008 7:34:18 AM | message detail |
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I don't see Zack being any weaker than Sora. Zack > Aeris now? --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| H__RR____H | Posted 8/25/2008 7:48:03 AM | message detail |
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I'll also ask this again: would you take Zack over any playable FF7 character? --- Lobby Hero http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3079/lobbyheroauditionflyerssv6.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 8/25/2008 7:49:01 AM | message detail |
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Would anyone? --- Brawl FC: 4296-2658-3681 (KP) |
