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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 587

Lopen | Posted 10/5/2008 5:44:47 PM | message detail
It's gotta be a non factor. Unless you buy the theory that Mega Man is a little weaker with MMX in the bracket.
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transience | Posted 10/5/2008 5:46:08 PM | message detail
MM9 looks like a non-factor so far. the fact that it's falling off the top 10 after 10 days says a lot.
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Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/5/2008 7:04:52 PM | message detail
Mega Man looks to be pushing for 51%. And I never expected Olimar to be weaker than BANJO..... But there's the Sephy/Tifa/Nana/Ratchet match eating away at me. Obviously, Sephiroth takes first. The problem is second place. We all know Sephiroth will SFF Tifa into the ground, but will it be enough to potentially cost her any chance at advancing? I'm thinking no.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/5/2008 7:14:43 PM | message detail
If Nana was called Ice Climbers I would have taken the upset because their my favourite characters from Melee.
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-LusterSoldier- | Posted 10/5/2008 7:14:59 PM | message detail
And I never expected Olimar to be weaker than BANJO

It's because of Olimar flopping that I have a bad feeling about Dedede tomorrow. He'll probably flop as well.
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hailEC | Posted 10/5/2008 7:23:35 PM | message detail
Tifa would have to be SFF'd to the level of olimar for her to not place in that match.

you need to stop smoking crack

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hellfire104 | Posted 10/5/2008 7:31:37 PM | message detail
I just want to add that while the ps3 has been outsold by the 360 for like the last 2 weeks, since the price drop of the 360, sony still sells 100k ps2's a week and another 150k psp's a week

100k Ps2 + 110k ps3 + 150k psp = 360k > 120k xbox360

Also, I heard that microsoft was going to drop out of the console business.

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Contest Point Total: 51 Rank: 97%tile, Tied for 753
This Pick: Megaman > Nero
hellfire104 | Posted 10/5/2008 7:41:51 PM | message detail
I guess its more like:

100k ps2, 120k ps3, 140k psp = 360k > 180k xbox360
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Contest Point Total: 51 Rank: 97%tile, Tied for 753
This Pick: Megaman > Nero
charmander6000 | Posted 10/5/2008 7:42:03 PM | message detail
btw Mega Man has found himself above 51%
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The_Ocelot2 | Posted 10/5/2008 7:51:39 PM | message detail
Also, I heard that microsoft was going to drop out of the console business.

Where did you hear that nonsense from?
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 7:53:29 PM | message detail

The_Ocelot2 (#160)
Also, I heard that microsoft was going to drop out of the console business.

Where did you hear that nonsense from?



They're not dropping out after losing quite alot of money to get to the point they're at now where they are pulling profit.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/5/2008 7:55:12 PM | message detail
Yeah, today's match pretty much kills any thought of Nana upsetting Tifa for me. Olimar's had two of his own games on the Gamecube and SSBB, plus he's going by his own name and has a familiar image. Although Nana has SSBM, she only has one game of her own on the NES (which doesn't have a following near the size of Pikmin...which is already small), isn't named Ice Climber(s), and doesn't have Popo with her...

...replace Mega Man with Sephiroth and Nero with Tifa, and I think a SFF'd Tifa will outdo Banjo here. Meanwhile, I don't think Nana hits Olimar's level.
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hellfire104 | Posted 10/5/2008 7:55:33 PM | message detail
Now i dont know the cost figures per unit but if I doubt microsoft is making any more on the 360's.

Anybody know that the fixed and variable costs are per 360?

For the record, I own both a 360 and a ps3.
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Contest Point Total: 51 Rank: 97%tile, Tied for 753
This Pick: Megaman > Nero
ffmasterjose | Posted 10/5/2008 7:56:12 PM | message detail
We all know Sephiroth will SFF Tifa into the ground, but will it be enough to potentially cost her any chance at advancing?

No. It will next round when Kratos skirts by, but not with Rachet and a freakin' Ice Climber in the poll.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 7:56:31 PM | message detail

HaRRicH (#162)
Yeah, today's match pretty much kills any thought of Nana upsetting Tifa for me. Olimar's had two of his own games on the Gamecube and SSBB, plus he's going by his own name and has a familiar image. Although Nana has SSBM, she only has one game of her own on the NES (which doesn't have a following near the size of Pikmin...which is already small), isn't named Ice Climber(s), and doesn't have Popo with her...

...replace Mega Man with Sephiroth and Nero with Tifa, and I think a SFF'd Tifa will outdo Banjo here. Meanwhile, I don't think Nana hits Olimar's level.



People outside of Mersh though it was possible Nana would upset?
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/5/2008 8:00:06 PM | message detail
Now i dont know the cost figures per unit but if I doubt microsoft is making any more on the 360's.

Anybody know that the fixed and variable costs are per 360?


MS started making money last year around the time Halo 3 came out. Last year the Xbox division posted it's first profitable year EVER. MS is not quitting now, this is what they've been building towards.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 8:01:26 PM | message detail
M$'s how point of losing money in the first generation of Xbox was to build up a brand, and this gen they wanted to compete and make a profit, and third generationh Xbox is when they wanted to be the dominant leaders of the video game market.

Its going pretty good to plan so far.
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hellfire104 | Posted 10/5/2008 8:03:35 PM | message detail
as much as I hate the wii for sucking money away from the hardcore gamer market segment, I'm sure they didn't plan on it dominating them this time around.
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Contest Point Total: 51 Rank: 97%tile, Tied for 753
This Pick: Megaman > Nero
hailEC | Posted 10/5/2008 8:06:05 PM | message detail
Nintendo: How to sell dog crap to millions of adoring fans.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 8:08:00 PM | message detail

hailEC (#169)
Nintendo: How to sell dog crap to millions of adoring fans.



This is what Nintendogs was tbh
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/5/2008 8:08:35 PM | message detail
Wii Music is it's spiritual successor since you can make DOG SOUNDS!
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hellfire104 | Posted 10/5/2008 8:10:08 PM | message detail
The wii is for old people and 12 year olds.
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Contest Point Total: 51 Rank: 97%tile, Tied for 753
This Pick: Megaman > Nero
Fayt_Esteed | Posted 10/5/2008 8:10:16 PM | message detail
No. It will next round when Kratos skirts by, but not with Rachet and a freakin' Ice Climber in the poll.

...Yeah. After seeing Olimar flop, I believe Nana's way too weak to do anything, Brawlfear or not. Ratchet isn't much better, either.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 8:11:52 PM | message detail
I don't see either Pit or Dedede getting over 15... solely due to LFF and 2 strong characters already in the poll.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/5/2008 8:15:55 PM | message detail
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It's because of Olimar flopping that I have a bad feeling about Dedede tomorrow. He'll probably flop as well.

If you can't see the giant gap in popularity between Dedede and Olimar, you can chalk blindness up as yet another problem.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 8:16:48 PM | message detail

Biolizard28 (#175)
-LusterSoldier- (#155)
It's because of Olimar flopping that I have a bad feeling about Dedede tomorrow. He'll probably flop as well.

If you can't see the giant gap in popularity between Dedede and Olimar, you can chalk blindness up as yet another problem.



I think the more important thing here is that Luster thought Dedede had a shot with Ryu there in the first place.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/5/2008 8:16:51 PM | message detail
What is considered flopping for Dedede? Getting less then 15%?
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/5/2008 8:17:42 PM | message detail
Match XIX: King Dedede vs. Pit vs. Ryu Hayabusa vs. Zero

Information:

Name: King Dedede
Game/Series From: Kirby series
2007 Results: Did not enter

Another Brawl character, with the new characters doing so horrible many of the new characters are losing support as we speak. Even though Dedede is usually the final boss of the Kirby series I don’t expect him to have that much strength.

Name: Pit
Game/Series From: Kid Icarus
2007 Results: 3rd in round 1

Pit did half decent with only a trailer going for him. Pit is also a fan favourite in Brawl so he should have a good boost compare to the other new characters from Brawl.

Name: Ryu Hayabusa
Game/Series From: Ninja Gaiden series
2007 Results: 1st in round 1, 3rd in round 2

What happen to you Ryu? You defeated Riku and Roxas combined in round one and then let Riku sneak by you in round two. I didn’t know that many Haseo fans were also Kingdom Hearts fans, or maybe Snake took away some support, somehow.

Name: Zero
Game/Series From: Mega Man X
2007 Results: 1st in round 1, 2nd in round 2, 4th in round 3

Zero did exactly what he was expected to do last year, the only thing unexpected was he performed well against Crono in round 2 then died worse than he should have in round 3. Zero is in line for a couple of rematches in his contest path.

Analysis:

So what we have here is a rematch between two characters where the match wasn’t even close and two new Brawl characters that if they had any strength would LFF each other to the point of it wouldn’t even matter. First and second place seem to be more or less locked, though the pride battle for third is still up for grabs.

Zero will take first in this match all the way back in 2005 he defeated Hayabusa 63/37. The match may be closer than what the numbers suggested, but Hayabusa has a lot of ground to cover and I don’t think that Ninja Gaiden II and the site becoming more casual friendly is enough for the ninja to take the win. Up until his round three match Zero was performing well and even considering his round three match he was up against three of the strongest characters in the bracket.

While Hayabusa won’t have enough strength to take first he will defiantly take second in this match. His other opponents are two Nintendo characters and with the Brawl boost not living up to expectations the ninja should make quick work of them. Hayabusa seems to be one of the characters that are always stuck behind some strong opponents; at least he got some time to shine last year.

The real match is between two characters in their fight for third and is worth no points. Last year Pit was crushed by Luigi in a four-way Nintendo match which saw 4chan rallying Mudkip into second. Like I’ve said Pit is a huge fan favourite in Brawl and is bound to get some kind of a boost. It won’t be enough for Pit to take second, but that does give him the advantage to place third over Dedede who isn’t as big of a fan favourite in Brawl.
charmander6000 | Posted 10/5/2008 8:18:00 PM | message detail
Dedede still has the advantage from Pit in that he has a base to work off with. Before Brawl the gaming culture hadn’t seen Pit since the NES age so any support that he’ll be getting from his game will be small and while the Kirby series isn’t that huge to begin with Dedede at least still has his fans. So while Pit will be getting more of the Brawl support it will need to be more than Dedede’s fanbase from the Kirby series.

Zero and Ryu Hayabusa will easily take first and second respectively while Pit and Dedede will be fighting for what is left. Between the Nintendo characters I think I’ll give the advantage to Dedede, he’s no slouch in Brawl popularity and he at least has a base to be working off. Pit however won’t roll over and die.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Zero > Ryu Hayabusa

charmander6000’s Prediction: Zero – 36.36%, Ryu Hayabusa – 29.35%, King Dedede – 19.35%, Pit – 14.94%

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 8:24:55 PM | message detail
For the longest time I had Ryu > Zero upset in this match , but day before contest started I just couldn't risk it. I really hope Ryu doesn't end up beating Zero here...
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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/5/2008 8:25:05 PM | message detail
To be fair, I have Zero > Dedede. I don't know why I do, it just felt like a decent upset at the time.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 8:25:42 PM | message detail
Ryu > Zero is more likely then Zero > Dedede

Brawlfear? More like Brawlfail
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/5/2008 8:27:05 PM | message detail
I'm about as bullish on Ryu H as any poster can get here, but I just don't see him making a match of this. His cool design doesn't resonate quite as much when you've go up against a character like Zero, although he's disappointed me before I guess.
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Lopen | Posted 10/5/2008 8:27:36 PM | message detail
Hayabusa's got dis. Altair should've wizened ya all up. Ninja are in.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 8:29:51 PM | message detail
Zero (2007c) VS Ryu Hayabusa (2007c)

Zero has a strength of 33.32.
Ryu Hayabusa has a strength of 23.73.

Zero wins with 64.39% of the vote!
A win of 39,203 with 136,207 total votes cast.

According to last years stats... but He may share a fanbase with the two Brawl characters, plus Ryu had Ninja Gaiden 2 this year.
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/5/2008 8:30:18 PM | message detail
Division 5: Round 1 - Match 19 – King Dedede vs. Pit vs. Ryu Hayabusa vs. Zero

Moltar’s Analysis

King Dedede
Game/Series Known From: Kirby
2007 Results: N/A

Brawl Character #19, Triple D makes his contest debut

Pit
Game/Series Known From: Kid Icarus
2007 Results: 3rd in Round 1 vs. Luigi, Mudkip and Tingle

Brawl Character #20, we’ve gotten ahead of the matches!

Ryu H.
Game/Series Known From: Ninja Gaiden/Dead or Alive
2007 Results: 1st Place in Round 1vs. Riku, Roxas and Haseo
3rd Place in Round 2 vs. Solid Snake, Riku and Nightmare

Remember when everyone went crazy over Ryu after Round 1 last year? Good times

Zero
Game/Series Known From: Mega Man X
2007 Results: 1st Place in Round 1vs. HK-47, Lloyd and Jak
2nd Place in Round 2 vs. Crono, Raiden and HK-47
4th Place in Round 3 vs. Link, Vincent and Crono

Another easy group for Zero

Well this match isn’t even debatable. Zero takes first, as he’s clearly the strongest character here. Ryu H. takes second, as he’s clearly the second strongest here. Now that I think about it, Ryu does have a chance at pulling the upset. He looked very impressive last year, while Zero…not so much in Round 1. I’m not taking it, but I think it will be fairly close between the two.

You can’t even make a case for the Nintendo characters, as Dedede and Pit will just destroy each other, leaving their opponents to walk right by them. Who wins between them is I don’t care because it’s just a meaningless battle for third.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Zero > Ryu H.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Zero: 37% - Ryu H.: 33% - Pit: 16% - Dedede: 14%



Heroic Mario’s Analysis

Sucks for the Brawl guys here. It seems like all the ones you'd want to see in a post-Brawl world seem to get the worst draws -- Meta-Knight, Ike, and now Pit. These guys did well enough on trailers, and would have had some potential were they not fighting SFF (or in Meta-Knight's case, previous contest champions), but they got screwed pretty hard. Though with this competition neither one would have likely have caused waves if they weren't being held back.

This match is all about Zero and Hayabusa. The smart -- and consensus -- pick is Zero in first, but I've entertained the idea of Hayabusa stealing a win. With Ninja Gaiden 2 fresh in his corner and this site's move to the Xbox 360 this past year, there's good reason to think about it. Hayabusa doing well last year only adds to it -- beating Riku and Roxas combined, though he did lose to Riku the next round, so who knows.

But with Zero already being the stronger of the two and Mega Man 9 (for whatever it might be worth) having just released, Zero's the safer bet. Hayabusa isn't going to roll over here, though, and I'd expect him to make a match of this, win or lose. There's nothing holding him back in this match, where you could argue that two other Nintendo characters in the poll could hinder Zero a bit. Not something I'm willing to take a chance with, though. Give me Zero in a close one.

Prediction: Zero - 34% ; Hayabusa - 32% ; Pit - 20% ; Dedede - 17%
Bracket: Zero > Hayabusa
Vote: Hayabusa


Yoblazer’s Analysis

Hmm... might be another short analysis today. Actually, unless we get a few very unexpected surprises (and, in its favor, this bracket has been pretty rife with them), I might be churning out shorter analyses for the next week. Yeah, things look a bit boring down the pike, but let's do our best to interpret the next handful of matches before Kirby vs. Big Boss. Maybe we'll get something good...
Lopen | Posted 10/5/2008 8:30:27 PM | message detail
lol "last year's stats"
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/5/2008 8:30:29 PM | message detail
I'm about as bullish on Ryu H as any poster can get here

...after realizing I forgot the existence of Lopen I feel like I must apologize for this rash statement
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/5/2008 8:30:34 PM | message detail
We have a battle between two Nintendo characters and two gaming badasses today. They are King Dedede (Kirby series, Brawl), Pit (Kid Icarus, Brawl), Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden series), and Zero (Mega Man X series). It's not hard to predict which two characters will move on, but the battle for first may be more tightly contested than most people are expecting. Before we get to that, though, let's get the Nintendo guys out of the way.

Now, if there has been one underlying theme in this contest so far (other than joke character domination), it's the fact that new Brawl characters have not performed up to snuff. In fact, most of them (Wario, Lucario, Diddy Kong, and Olimar) have either been "meh" or abysmal. That being the case, expectations for King Dedede and Pit are understandably very reserved. However, the only two nu-Brawlers who have come out looking alright are Meta Knight and Ike, and they're too of the game's most popular newcomers. Dedede and Pit also fall into that category, so while I don't expect them to impress, I don't think they'll do as poorly as what we've seen out of Brawl so far. Regardless, with stronger opponents and a fanbase split, they'll still be miles from advancing.

The two characters advancing will be Ryu Hayabusa and Zero, and damn don't they look cool! These are a duo of battle tested veterans who will overpower their Nintendo adversaries with their cool swords and superior designs and blah blah BLAH. Anyway, who wins?

Well, if you study some contest history, you may think the answer is painfully obvious. Three years ago, Hayabusa and Zero had a match, and Zero won. In fact, he kicked Ryu's ass (finishing with an impressive 63% of the vote). How can Ryu even make it close in the face of such a drumming? For one, it seems that Zero might have lost a step since then. Ever since his lackluster performance against Mario in 2005, Zero has been putting up some less-than-stellar contest results. On the flip side, it seems that Ryu has gained a step. Last year, the ninja obliterated his first round match. Granted, it was a match where he was aided by a huge fanbase split, but he still managed to go above and beyond every expectation. He has also found a nice home on both the 360 and PS3, which always helps. In addition to the natural waxing and waning of their strengths, I feel Ryu will be aided here by the nature of his opponents. Yes, Zero doesn't have much in common with Dedede and Pit, but Ryu has even less. His badass black ninja art really stands out amidst three cartoony characters, and I think that'll help a bit.

In the end, these advantages won't be enough for Ryu to actually reverse the beating Zero gave him in 2005, but I think he can manage to make this result much more respectable.

King Dedede - 18%
Pit - 16%
Ryu Hayabusa - 31%
Zero - 35%



Lopen’s Analysis

Cripes have I mentioned how out of control Brawl is in this bracket? Well, anyway... I don't care about them. Dedede probably beats Pit because they're both kinda popular and Dedede has the Kirby fanbase to fall back on. Who cares about them, though.

Nope, this match is about Hayabusa vs Zero. While most of the people of B8 will call this a lock in Zero's favor, citing a match from two years ago where Zero beat Hayabusa 60-40 as evidence. Yeah, well, hey... that's fine and dandy, but let's look at what Hayabusa has in his corner since then:

Overall increased acceptance of the X-Box on GameFAQs
Zero apparently weakening every year.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 8:30:53 PM | message detail
Zero (2006c) VS Ryu Hayabusa (2006c)

Zero has a strength of 28.52.
Ryu Hayabusa has a strength of 25.36.

Zero wins with 55.54% of the vote!
A win of 13,889 with 125,351 total votes cast.


Seems like 4ways might be a little bit off. If we look at 2006 values, I could definently see an upset here.
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/5/2008 8:31:31 PM | message detail
To me, this is enough to throw this match into question straight up. What really threw me into questioning this... is... something not purely statistical, but rather that this just feels so much like the first round match last year. Ryu Hayabusa vs three nintendo guys or Ryu Hayabusa vs three RPG characters. I know, I know... the three RPG characters had a LOT more overlap, seeing as two were from the same game and one was WHO IS HASEO but... I just sense bad voodoo here.

It's entirely possible that Hayabusa is a good draw, having a higher ceiling against weaker opposition than Zero. Look at their first round matches last year... overlap or not, how can Lloyd Irving, Jak, and HK-47 compete with 2KH characters? It's just wrong. I think the competition is weak enough here that Zero's more devoted but smaller fanbase will have trouble hanging with Ryu Hayabusa, who'll be romping all over the casual vote.

Lopen's prediction
Ryu Hayabusa – 36.77%
Zero – 32.12%
King Dedede – 16.05%
Pit – 15.06%



Transience’s Analysis

tonight's match is a battle for first, and a battle for third. nothing else can possibly happen.

I'm pretty sure we're all going to go for Zero here, and I can explain why pretty easily: Zero rocked Hayabusa in 2005 and has been stronger every year, not to mention Mega Man 9's release.

since 2005, though, these two have gone in opposite directions. last year, Zero got less than 40% on HK-47, Jak and Lloyd Irving. Ryu Hayabusa got nearly 46% on Riku, Roxas and Haseo, and he got Ninja Gaiden 2 in the last year. oh, and the site has been turning increasingly pro-360 over the past year. Hayabusa's a pretty cool upset pick that almost nobody is taking. it's tough to pull the trigger on it though. Zero got fairly close to Crono while Ryu ended up losing to Riku in round 2. I won't put it out of the question though. Ryu is a guy I really would take far if he had an interesting draw, but it's tough to take him over a proven guy like Zero no matter how far he may have fallen.

as for third place, we've got two Brawl characters that wouldn't have a chance alone, but together they're going to drive each other into the ground. Pit's got the more appealing design and is overall more liked in Brawl, I think (screw tiers in this case), but DDD's drawing from the Kirby series too. I'll give Pit the edge here but I don't think they're far apart.

Ryu Hayabusa
could do a lot of damage
with a better draw

transience's prediction: Zero with 37.89%, Ryu Hayabusa with 33.33%, Pit with 14.44%, King Dedede with 14.34%



Ngamer’s Analysis

Darn it! DARN IT!! I just can't beat these Marios! And the video game tournament is tomorrow!


Last Known Values
Zero - 33.32% (2007)
Ryu H - 23.73% (2007)
Pit - 15.73% (2007)
Dedede - new

Zero is pretty clearly a stud in this format. I mean yeah, he folded underneath Link/Crono/Vincent, but who wouldn't have? YOU? Doubtful! Actually I was remembering that match and briefly considering whether or not I should consider, if even just briefly, the Ryu upset. But then I remembered that firstly Mega Man 9 was going to be tearing it up right around this time, and secondly that Zero flat out destroyed Ryu 1v1 back in '05. Hm, actually looking at it now, that was only a 63% beating, not as bad as I thought. But still, even if Ryu gets extra points in this format for looking so cool in the match pic or gains ASV strength for being the only Xbox option, there's no way I could imagine him keeping this competitive for the top spot.
Biolizard28 | Posted 10/5/2008 8:31:34 PM | message detail
Bear with me...

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Master Moltar | Posted 10/5/2008 8:32:02 PM | message detail
Likewise I'd be shocked if either of tonight's Brawl options were able to do anything surprising here. Even if that game had been turning newcomers into GameFAQs Contest superstars left and right, I don't see how either of these guys could get enough of an advantage over the other to upstage Ryu. And since we instead seem to be finding out that it takes Melee + Brawl + something else to not flop out here in 2008, I fear we may be in for something more on par with today's awful Banjo/Olimar showings. Between the two, I'm thinking Triple D should have a bit of an advantage thanks to his Kirby appeal, but Pit looks really cool in the picture and will hopefully be able to keep him from running away.

Yeah, short writeup there since I don't see anything too wild happening... but prove me wrong, Dedede!

Zero - 36.45%
Ryu Hayabusa - 27.41%
King Dedede - 20.77%
Pit - 15.37%

I... don't like that very much! Ack...

Ngamer Says: Zero > Ryu




Guest’s Analysis - DpOblivion

Here we see two interesting, popular, but untested SSBB newcomers in Pit and Dedede attempting to fight for second place. Of course, when things come in pairs, it usually spells trouble for the pair.

In this match, they face two experienced characters with proven strength in Ryu Hayabusa and Zero, with no worries about SFF. While the unknown Nintendo characters could do surprisingly well on their own, they are going to kill each other with SFF. Even still, I think I would bet on Ryu and Zero advancing in a 3-way against one of the two SSBB characters, especially with the Mega Man series showing it can take votes away from lesser Nintendo characters, so I put the chances of Pit or Dedede advancing at slim to none.

As we've seen, SSBB newcomers have not gotten much of a boost. Pit will probably gain more of that vote, but very little from his original game fanbase, while Dedede will gain more from the Kirby series. I think that will at least push Dedede to third, but he won't even come close to reaching the top 2. It's nice that the dedicated fanbase got them into the contest, but they needed some help in bracket placement, and they got quite the opposite.

The real battle could be for first place. But if you know anything, it should be fairly obvious that Zero will take first here over Ryu Hayabusa. The Mega Man series is a dominant force, and Zero is a big-time vote getter in that fanbase. Ryu has some decent popularity and a fresh new game, but he's not one to pull an upset over a strong, well-established force. He's going to need Zero to suffer from some big time LFF from the other Nintendo characters, and I just can't see that happening.

Dp's bracket says: Zero > Ryu Hayabusa

Dp's prediction says: Zero > Ryu Hayabusa

Confidence: 99%

Zero - 36%
Ryu Hayabusa - 28%
Dedede - 20%
Pit - 16%



Crew Consensus: Zero > Ryu, Lopen Upset Special for today: Ryu > Zero
hellfire104 | Posted 10/5/2008 8:32:41 PM | message detail
I don't think it'll be that close between Zero and ryu.
It's more like Zero 38%, Ryu 32%.
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 8:33:01 PM | message detail
Zero - 36%
Ryu - 34%
Pit - 17%
DeDeDe - 13%

This is how I see it.
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Biolizard28 | Posted 10/5/2008 8:33:48 PM | message detail
HeroicTronBonne (#195)
Pit - 17%
DeDeDe - 13%


derp
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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/5/2008 8:34:09 PM | message detail

Biolizard28 (#196)
HeroicTronBonne (#195)
Pit - 17%
DeDeDe - 13%


derp



Pit > DDD
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Lopen | Posted 10/5/2008 8:35:52 PM | message detail
I'm about as bullish on Ryu H as any poster can get here

...after realizing I forgot the existence of Lopen I feel like I must apologize for this rash statement


Well, to be fair I think you're probably bigger fan of the character than I am... you just need more confidence in his contest strength!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/5/2008 8:36:33 PM | message detail

Tequilla Gundam (#117)


Its not like 360 is tripling PS3 in sales in america or anything

Or have a much better library of games


1. Wat? PS3 has been outselling x360 month to month in all 3 major regions for like the last quarter now.

2. 2nd statement is opinion.



What good is a library that only has 1 book?
KamikazePotato | Posted 10/5/2008 8:36:59 PM | message detail
If there's one thing I won't miss when we return to 1 on 1 matches (hopefully), it's seeing characters screwed over by LFF.

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