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#128 Aside from the fact that 2 months before that poll, Master Chief was a potential Noble Nine breaker

Due to hype. Once the game was released, the Chief no longer was.

Same thing with Brawl. Heck, Brawl probably would've beaten Melee despite the fact that it hadn't even been released yet two years ago.

Except Chief's only pre-Halo 3 match that year was pretty standard fare, and he exploded once the game itself released. The end of the contest was a month after the game came out, with the GotY polls shortly after that. Halo 3 didn't drop off THAT quickly.
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I'm just saying why in the world genre matters when we've seen over and over and over and over again that Nintendo SFF is the nastiest kind of SFF out there.

For characters. I just don't think it matters nearly as much with games.

We'll see.

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Mario 64 vs. OOT says differently.

Majora's Mask vs. RBY is a much further separation though. you'd be better off blaming three n64 games.
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Remember Metroid Prime? Halo? Starcraft? All overrated in 2004, and WW has as much reason to have dropped as any of them.

To be fair, all those games have one thing in common - They're all tied to Starcraft. That's not to say they didn't decline anyway, but they were starting with a big disadvantage.
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We could argue Pokemon/MM SFF until we're blue in the face, but GS already showed us that RBY has strength.
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Mario 64 vs. OOT says differently.

Yeah, OoT/Mario 64 is one of the nastiest cases of SFF we've ever seen outside of Link/Ganondorf. Seeing that result still surprises me to this day. 3 out of every 4 voters prefers OoT to Mario 64?
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The reason Nintendo SFFs so harshly is because the fanbase works like a cult character/game. The fanbase stuck with it all the way through from SNES to Wii. The vast majority played all the big hits that came out, and loves the characters.

It's different with the handheld fanbase though. Yes, there's still part of that fanbase, but for the most part, the handhelds have a much bigger fanbase that's wider reaching (compare sales of GBA to N64/GC, and DS to Wii). Pokemon is the major series to that fanbase, which is larger then the consoles' fanbase.

Pokemon will get SFF/LFF, but it won't be anywhere near as bad as two Nintendo console games fighting each other.
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Exactly- Starcraft was overrated, and so Wind Waker was overrated. The part about them dropping is to argue against the idea that SC wasn't that overrated and those other games have since fallen off while Wind Waker hasn't.
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I'd agree that everyone in Starcraft's half of the 128 Division was significantly overrated because of Starcraft, and that a good deal of the games that includes have dropped naturally as well, but I don't know if WW would have dropped as much as I'd expect some of the others like Prime to have.

Maybe it did, but it's pretty hard to say when all we have is the SSBM match. The only thing I'm sure of is that wasn't the "real" WW there. No way is Disgaea good for ~37% on WW. I mean, I wish it were, but there's just no way.
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Turds:

1. (and winner of the annual lol award) lol Street Fighter

Both games were absolutely garbage, which is weird because the series had every reason to be back on the rise with SF2HD and SF4 both being very recent releases. Not sure what happened, but getting trounced by Sonic and then almost losing to Persona 4 (Brawl or no Brawl) is absolutely disgraceful.

lol **** fighter

2. Halo

Yet another series that was absolutely brutal. Halo almost lost to KotOR for no apparant reason, Halo 2 got absolutely creamed by what I thought would be the weakest Metal Gear then Halo 3 went out today and didn't even try to make a match with Fallout.

lol failo

3. PS2 Grand Theft Auto Games

I kind of figured before the contest that the PS2 games would drop off with GTA4 out, but I never imagined it would be this bad. Vice City got murdered by KH2, GTA3 came a distant last to Halo and KotOR, and San Andreas was a complete choke job. Not entirely surprising given Vercetti's recent performances, but a bit of a shock that they ALL bombed.

lol lame theft auto

4. Metroid Prime

No excuse here. I knew it was going to be hurt a bit by Paper Mario, but it went and got destroyed by Vice City. Like, not even close to putting up a fight. And I had this piece of garbage going to round 3 to boot.

lol dog crap prime

5. Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask

This was absolutely disgraceful. Days after Link's Awakening showed us that the Zelda name is powerful enough to get you through most matches, MM laid an absolute egg against R/B/Y. Once again, a lot of it can be blamed on 3 N64 games vs Pokemon, but that only counts for so much.

lol majora's ass

6. Doom

I'm not surprised that it got weaker since 2004, but I AM surprised that Donkey Kong, who hasn't managed to do a single impressive thing EVER managed to beat it with LttP in the poll.

Seriously, what the hell?

lol doomed

7. The Under 10% Brigade

A lot of these games were expected to be weak, but some of them managed to fall short of even our lowest expectations. The fact that several of them advanced to the next round is proof positive that we did NOT need a 128 entrant bracket and we did NOT need generational divisions again.

lol failer bacon again

8. World of Warcraft

You can somewhat rationalize it's performance, and you can still make a case for it advancing far, but WoW getting beat that badly by MGS3 is very discouraging, especially as someone who has WoW going to the finals in his bracket.

lol world of borecrap

9. Bioshock

Maybe it's just me, but when this game came out, people didn't shut up about it. I played it and didn't really care for this snorefest of a shooter, but I still figured it would be able to beat a niche 20 minute long spinoff of Half-Life. I guess I was wrong, although I don't really care.

lol biosuck

10. Goldeneye

I had fairly low expectations of Goldeneye, since I never really bought into the "Link/Ganon-level SFF" or "GE is top 10 LIST LIST LIST LIST LIST" tripe, I still figured Goldeneye was somewhere in the top 15, but it went out and absolutely stunk it up against opponents that had every reason to disappoint relative to expectations. I love the game, but come on...

lol goldenpoop

Honourable Mentions:

The New Nintendo Brigade (excluding Brawl), Mega Man 2, Final Fantasy 6, Donkey Kong Country 2
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In any case, the argument that RBY must have SFF'd Majora's Mask because there's no way it can be that strong smacks of after the fact damage control. People had plenty of trouble imagining RBY as a top 20 game too. I would like to see RBY face FFVI, FFVIII, or FFX. I don't think it's beating MGS for first though- not with GS and Majora's Mask there.
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From: BlAcK TuRtLe
Maybe it's just me, but when this game came out, people didn't shut up about it. I played it and didn't really care for this snorefest of a shooter, but I still figured it would be able to beat a niche 20 minute long spinoff of Half-Life.

So much wrong with this AUGH.
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less round 1 more MM2 vs. Tetris
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In any case, the argument that RBY must have SFF'd Majora's Mask because there's no way it can be that strong smacks of after the fact damage control. People had plenty of trouble imagining RBY as a top 20 game too. I would like to see RBY face FFVI, FFVIII, or FFX. I don't think it's beating MGS for first though- not with GS and Majora's Mask there.

"After the fact damage control" or careful analysis. Realistically, N64 SFF aside, there is only so weak Majora's Mask can go before this becomes obvious SFF. If this wasn't SFF, then we have a challenger for OoT and FF7.
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From: BlAcK TuRtLe
we have a challenger for OoT and FF7.

Now THAT's what I'm talking about.

Also, how much stronger do people think RBY is then GSC indirectly?
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Curious.

less round 1 more MM2 vs. Tetris

Tetris > MM2
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Not a whole lot since all 5 games are the exact same repackaged garbage and they both came out during the height of Pokemania.

It boggles my mind how the same people that complain about Madden's yearly roster updates can so hypocritically praise Pokemon for rehash after rehash after rehash. Do we REALLY need a Gold/Silver remake?
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If you think MM is so strong that assuming no SFF puts RBY in the FFVII/OOT tier, then......go ahead, assume SFF, and take RBY to beat CT and LTTP! Or go ahead and assume rSFF and still take RBY to be a top 10 game!

Anyway.....I'm not sure what there is to say about MM2/Tetris. I do think picture factor is being underestimated though- that picture was as bad as Snake's sprites. And these are NES games, a large portion of the site doesn't know these games well, and that is another argument for the picture mattering.
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From: BlAcK TuRtLe
Not a whole lot since all 5 games are the exact same repackaged garbage and they both came out during the height of Pokemania.

It boggles my mind how the same people that complain about Madden's yearly roster updates can so hypocritically praise Pokemon for rehash after rehash after rehash. Do we REALLY need a Gold/Silver remake?

And here was me thinking you'd ignored me. It's possibly even sadder that you merely claimed you ignored me and didn't actually.
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Oh well. Never mind.

if fallout 3 is doing this well, how well would 1 or 2 do?

Not well, I assume. Could probably beat out the weaker titles based on name, but I imagine it'd collapse against anything with any name recognition.
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In any case, the argument that RBY must have SFF'd Majora's Mask because there's no way it can be that strong smacks of after the fact damage control.

I'm just speculating. I'm not even saying I believe it. I'm just putting the possibility out there. I never said it was definite. I said RBY's number MIGHT be SFF inflated.
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if fallout 3 is doing this well, how well would 1 or 2 do?

Fallout 2 got a whopping 13.69% on OoT and the original got replaced by DKC2.
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Fallout 1/2 compared to Fallout 3 is like comparing RE1/2 to RE4, except make the gap about twice or three times as wide. For all intents and purposes, Fallout doesn't exist before 3.

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I still like MM2 here. Tetris just reeks of "oh, I don't like any of this other crap so I'll just vote for Tetris" while MM2 did indeed have a brutal, solid **** style picture. Should be a good one.
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fallout 1 and 2 are fodder, they sold a combined 500k, and were essentially obscure old PC games. Fallout 3 is a massive hit that has sold over 6 million
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Match XXXIII: Tetris vs. Donkey Kong vs. Mega Man 2 vs. Pac-Man

Last Round:

Tetris – 53.65%
Donkey Kong – 19.82%
Mike Tyson’s Punch Out!! – 17.87%
Space Invaders – 8.66%

Mega Man 2 – 34.79%
Pac-Man – 27.25%
The Oregon Trail – 21.42%
Pong – 16.54%

Analysis

Welcome to round two and the return of gaming in the far past. Already we have a match that based on our first round results the underdog is actually the favourite to win. Round two is the time where many questions are answered from the performance of last round by several games and many more are asked for future rounds.

The match for third may be debatable for some, but it’s pretty obvious that Pac-Man should take the token win. Donkey Kong while impressive to have taken the upset was still beaten by as much as Pong was in the previous contest. Even if Pac-Man gets old-school SFF by Tetris I would expect Pac-Man to be a bit stronger than Pong as it was present in the first round match.

Donkey Kong should get last. The only thing that could save it is if Tetris magically grew in strength since 2004 and since the player rate is about the same I doubt it. Even though L-Block won a contest I don’t think it got people more into Tetris than they already were and Tetris isn’t the type of game that would get a joke rally as it is respected by many people.

As said earlier Tetris is the favourite to take first after its and Mega Man 2’s performance in round one. Still Tetris was up against games that Pong would defeat and it was already known that Tetris can crush opponents based on name value. Now both Mega Man 2 and Pac-Man have a strong name value and Tetris should be worried about Pac-Man as that game functions the same way as Tetris, except on a smaller scale.

Mega Man 2 is going to need all the help it can get for it to be able to defeat Tetris. First the picture had to have done significant damage to Mega Man 2’s strength and then Tetris needs to collapse in the face of a game with name value as strong as it. While the picture may have hurt Mega Man 2 a bit the performance that Mega Man 2 did was so bad that Tetris could have still won. As for the Tetris collapse, if Pac-Man or Pong weren’t able to collapse why Tetris would be any different. Even Metroid was able to accomplish that against Pac-Man.

It seems like Mega Man 2 is going to rely on a perfect storm to win this match, but at this point the chances for that is slim. Tetris may be crushed by certain opponents because the power of its name value is weaken, but after the first round it does not seem like Mega Man 2 is going to be the game to accomplish that.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Mega Man 2 > Tetris

charmander6000’s Prediction: Tetris – 36.57%, Mega Man 2 – 31.27%, Pac-Man – 18.53%, Donkey Kong – 13.63%

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"and were essentially obscure old PC games"

Sorry, Albion, but this is wrong. Incredibly wrong. So wrong, it hurts. The Fallout series might not have sold well, but it's anything BUT obscure. Arguably, it was the groundwork for a series that managed to resurrect an entire genre, Baldur's Gate, and, on the lists of best PC titles, it consistently ranks near the top. It mightn't have sold much, true, but it's influence was enormous. They're like those albums that sell for crap yet still manage to mark an entire generation. To say they were obscure is a crime.

Company LFF matters a lot less with games, I would imagine. Genre is far more important.

No way this is true with Nintendo. Genre is almost irrelevant when it comes to two Nintendo games. There will almost always be overlap there. That's not to say I think Pokemon SFF'd Zelda, but Nintendo SFF can happen between any two games, regardless of how different they are.

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Come on Turtle, MM2 has not chance. This is coming from a huge Mega Man fan. Mega Man is flopping like nothing else in this contest and has been declining in the character contest for years.
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The Fallout series might not have sold well, but it's anything BUT obscure.

Thats what obscure means. Basically obscure titles only appeal to a certain demographic, aka hardcore PC rpg fans. Like Tales games are pretty obscure since they only appeal to hardcore jrpg fans. Theres no getting around it.
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I wouldn't count MM2 completely out or anything. MM3 at the least makes me step back from saying something like that. But I think Tetris has to be seen as the big favorite going in.
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Nah, obscure is not what fallout is. At least, it doesn't explain what Fallout was. If you take a list, ANY list of the top PC games of all time, one of the first two fallouts WILL rank, if not both. Fallout didn't sell, but it was unbelievably influential. That, to me, means it's not obscure. I'll freely admit that few gamers remember the games because they were too young to be around at that time and play them, but they're some of the most influential games out there. I get what you mean, but I think obscure is not the right word.

But there is absolutely no debate here. Pokemon RBY went from being a slight bracket underdog to a 26,352 vote win. Pokemon RBY scored 64% on Majora's Mask directly. (For reference, FF7 is expected to get 63% on Wind Waker based on 2004 stats.) We've long talked about a Super Six -- Final Fantasy VII, Ocarina of Time, Chrono Trigger, Link to the Past, Mario 3, and Super Smash Bros. Melee. They were the final 4 of the 2004 contest and the two games that came closest on Chrono Trigger. They were the top 6 games on The List. They're assumed to still be the six strongest games today -- basically, they're the games version of the Noble Nine.

That's what we need to come up with, a Games version of the Noble Nine. We have 6 games already, now to decide on the other 3 that are Noble Nine material.

Donkey Kong beats Punch-Out. (seriously, what?)

Someone is still hurt over this result, where as I'm glad I saw the correct result even when so many picked Punch-Out. Sometimes, picking the correct result in my bracket is trying to look at the match from a casual bracket maker's point of view (what will the casuals pick?), rather than let statistics, logic, and past contest history dictate my bracket picks.
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Christ, just saw the Sonic and the black knight final boss fight.

Is this really what Sonic has devolved to?
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Ah, you know it's funny, these people, they go to sleep. They think everything's fine, everything's good... They wake up the next day and they're on fire.

"Christ, just saw the Sonic and the black knight final boss fight.

Is this really what Sonic has devolved to?"

What was so bad about it? You might have had a point if you had picked Sonic 2k6's final boss...but what's so bad about SatBK?

I'm going to use vote totals quite a bit for my predictions.

Is anyone else thinking that Halo 3 is the strongest Halo game after this? It's hard to imagine Halo 1/2 performing this well after what they did.

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SatBK had good final boss music though

not me. probably 1 > 3 > 2, with there being barely any difference.
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The new match pics are quite cool.

One thing that I forgot to mention is that Mega Man 2 could SFF Donkey Kong. Yeah, old-school SFF, here we go!

I don't think there's not difference between the three, just like I don't think there's much difference between the four GTA games. Speaking of which, rank the major franchises' games:

Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario World
Super Mario Kart
Super Mario RPG
Mario Kart 64
Super Mario 64
Yoshi's Island
Paper Mario
Super Mario Galaxy

The Legend of Zelda
A Link to the Past
Link's Awakening
Majora's Mask
Ocarina of Time
Wind Waker
Twilight Princess

Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy XII
Kingdom Hearts
Kingdom Hearts II (Just for fun!)

Metroid
Super Metroid
Metroid Prime

Mega Man 2
Mega Man 3
Mega Man X

Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Sonic the Hedgehog 3

Pokemon R/B/Y
Pokemon G/S
Pokemon D/P

Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid 2
Metal Gear Solid 3
Metal Gear Solid 4

Vice City
Grand Theft Auto III
San Andreas
Grand Theft Auto IV

Halo 1
Halo 2
Halo 3

StarCraft
Diablo II
World of Warcraft
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Super Mario Bros. 3
Super Mario World
Super Mario Bros.
Super Mario 64
Mario Kart 64
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Mario Kart
Super Mario RPG
Yoshi's Island
Paper Mario

Ocarina of Time
A Link to the Past
Twilight Princess
The Legend of Zelda
Wind Waker
Link's Awakening
Majora's Mask

Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy VIII
Kingdom Hearts II
Kingdom Hearts
Final Fantasy VI
FFIV
Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy XII

Super Metroid
Metroid Prime
Metroid

Mega Man X
Mega Man 3
Mega Man 2

Sonic the Hedgehog
Sonic the Hedgehog 2
Sonic the Hedgehog 3

Pokemon R/B/Y
Pokemon G/S
Pokemon D/P

Metal Gear Solid 4
Metal Gear Solid
Metal Gear Solid 3 (no idea why this is stronger)
Metal Gear Solid 2

Dont care about GTA

Halo 3
Halo 1
Halo 2

Diablo II
World of Warcraft
StarCraft (these are all really close)

Way too muck for to rank all those games >_>
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Whoops, forgot FFIV in my list. Thanks for adding it in there!
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I meant, "Way too much work to rank all those games >_>"

Apparently it was way too much work to type that.
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Way too muck for to rank all those games >_>

Agreed.
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Don't have the energy for it.

Lets go Mega Man 2
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Vote Accepted
Tetris 25%

2
Donkey Kong 0%

0
Mega Man 2 37.5%

3
Pac-Man 37.5%

3
TOTAL VOTES 8

LOL DK
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