Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1075

#301 | paulg235 | Posted 7/24/2013 9:42:01 AM | message detail
We really need to get Master Hand into another contest, again. Especially how joke characters seem to fare better.
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#302 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2013 9:43:31 AM | message detail
Robotnik almost got a cut there
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#303 | TsunamiXXVIII (Topic Creator) | Posted 7/24/2013 9:45:18 AM | message detail | (edited)
SuorGenoveffa posted...
I don't get the trends for this match honestly, seem all over the place.


That's because there aren't any yet, I don't think. Protoman's already had updates where he cut into Ike's lead and updates where Robotnik cut into his lead, and for the most part, there haven't been any major swings, except for the fourth update where Ike's lead went from 41 to 104.
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#304 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/24/2013 9:45:06 AM | message detail
paulg235 posted...
We really need to get Master Hand into another contest, again. Especially how joke characters seem to fare better.


And throw off everyone's brackets!?

Sounds like a good idea to me.
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#305 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 9:45:08 AM | message detail
KamikazePotato posted...
Uh, Proto Man and Zidane aren't weak. Just what were you expecting from all these guys?


Ridley (2010c) VS Proto Man (2010c)

Ridley has a strength of 27.45.
Proto Man has a strength of 25.72.

Ridley wins with 53.15% of the vote!


(to not be underperforming Ridley in the middle of the DAY)
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#306 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 9:46:09 AM | message detail
I mean, based on this result, Ike looks to be a decent bit stronger than Marth. That's all I ever expected from him, in any contest, and that's basically consistent with what he's done in previous contests. What were you guys thinking would happen?
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#307 | tgs2 | Posted 7/24/2013 9:46:24 AM | message detail
I'm going to guess you have Zidane>Ridley
#308 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 9:46:57 AM | message detail
tgs2 posted...
I'm going to guess you have Zidane>Ridley


hahahahahaha my poor, poor, infallible bracket
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#309 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 9:48:34 AM | message detail
Ridley is ranked in the top half of the 2010 stats, around Ness, Tidus, Riku ect. Either he overperformed on Cloud or he's legit. Neither would surprise me too much.
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#310 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 7/24/2013 9:48:56 AM | message detail
As long as we're going off results from 2005, Snake's going to be destroyed by Cloud.
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#311 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2013 9:49:15 AM | message detail
I suspected Ike to be around Fox's strength, which he is not too far from.
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#312 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 7/24/2013 9:50:00 AM | message detail
...yeah, this match is weird. First you have Protoman making decisive attempts at cutting Ike and then he's like "lol nope Robotnik take me".
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#313 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/24/2013 9:50:55 AM | message detail
Looks like they're going to just solidify their leads over one another rather than just powering past.

To be honest is is a hard one, I mean Ike has got this in the end. Does this show Ike is weaker than he seems or Protoman and Robotnik stronger than peopel give them for?
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#314 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 7/24/2013 9:53:06 AM | message detail
Man, Kefka's going to look like complete s*** after how badly Vercetti bombed. We all know they were equal in 2005, after all!
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#315 | SuorGenoveffa | Posted 7/24/2013 9:53:46 AM | message detail
I think people vastly underestimated Robotnik here, honestly. He's still a classic villain from an incredibly popular franchise, there's only so much weakness you can have from this.
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#316 | tennisboy213 | Posted 7/24/2013 9:54:32 AM | message detail
I expected Ike/Proto Man to be close, but i expected low 20s from Robotnik so either Ike/Proto Man are weaker than I expected or Robotnik is stronger.
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#317 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/24/2013 9:54:41 AM | message detail
Given that Sonic's *finally* getting good games again, it wouldn't surprise me if the entire Sonic crew got a boost, or at least one that's significant when compared to Ike and Proto Man.

I mean it's still Dr. Robotnik, but this is a rare match where all three characters have something vaguely resembling strength.
#318 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 7/24/2013 9:57:39 AM | message detail
Watch out, Crono. Crash got 67.35% on Vercetti, while you only got 70.85% on him in 2005.

Crash and Crono, pretty similar strengths.
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#319 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 9:57:41 AM | message detail
what does Ike have to do to get people to admit that he's weak

does GlaDOS have to triple him next round

while they both lose to Epona
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#320 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 7/24/2013 9:58:45 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
what does Ike have to do to get people to admit that he's weak

does GlaDOS have to triple him next round

while they both lose to Epona


inb4 Ike>GlaDOS>Epona
#321 | tennisboy213 | Posted 7/24/2013 9:59:12 AM | message detail
Not_Wylvane posted...
Crash and Crono, pretty similar strengths.


I'm okay with this.
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#322 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/24/2013 9:59:18 AM | message detail
Ike's boosting his lead over Protoman and is close to hitting the 200s.
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#323 | JustForFun1988 | Posted 7/24/2013 9:59:36 AM | message detail
Ike sucks, but not as hard as Epona.
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#324 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:03:29 AM | message detail | (edited)
what does Ike have to do to get people to admit that he's weak

does GlaDOS have to triple him next round

while they both lose to Epona


Ike is expected to get 44.17% on Fox, he's a mid-carder, I don't think anyone expect him to challenge the elites.
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#325 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/24/2013 10:01:26 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
what does Ike have to do to get people to admit that he's weak

does GlaDOS have to triple him next round

while they both lose to Epona


If GlaDOS triples Ike that means GlaDOS > Snake, and Epona > GlaDOS means Epona > Snake.

I'll admit Ike is weak if you admit Epona over Snake is a lock...!
#326 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/24/2013 10:01:35 AM | message detail
Looks like Ike has this, but Protoman should make some solid cuts with the evening vote to close the gap. Great performance here.
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#327 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/24/2013 10:02:12 AM | message detail
Also, if this was a night match, how badly does Ike do?
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#328 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 10:02:26 AM | message detail
FranzyvonKarma posted...
Karma Hunter posted...
what does Ike have to do to get people to admit that he's weak

does GlaDOS have to triple him next round

while they both lose to Epona


If GlaDOS triples Ike that means GlaDOS > Snake, and Epona > GlaDOS means Epona > Snake.

I'll admit Ike is weak if you admit Epona over Snake is a lock...!


at this point I'm willing to agree to a lot of crazy things
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#329 | -Tofa7- | Posted 7/24/2013 10:03:35 AM | message detail
Epona will trample Ike
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#330 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 7/24/2013 10:03:48 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
what does Ike have to do to get people to admit that he's weak

does GlaDOS have to triple him next round

while they both lose to Epona


In his first contest, he went even with Duke Nukem and Gordon Freeman. In his second one, he went even with Arthas despite Pikachu SFF. In his third one, he won two matches including a close match with Dissidia-boosted Zidane before getting SFFed by Mario.

He doesn't look that weak to me.
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#331 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 10:04:57 AM | message detail
what is your definition of weak

i dont think you understand what a weak character actially is! failing to be Top 40 in the stats or whatever is not weak
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#332 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/24/2013 10:05:27 AM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Looks like Ike has this, but Protoman should make some solid cuts with the evening vote to close the gap. Great performance here.


Calling the match 15 minutes in again BT?

I know its over 15 I'm just giving you crap man. ;)
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#333 | MegatokyoEd | Posted 7/24/2013 10:07:39 AM | message detail
Ike looks exactly as expected. He's a low midcarder, nothing more.

Protoman probably got a mini boost from MM in Smash and Robotnik obviously isn't as weak as the villains contest made him seem.
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#334 | tennisboy213 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:09:51 AM | message detail | (edited)
152 vote lead for both

Also, Proto Man with exactly 1/3 of the vote.
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#335 | BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/24/2013 10:09:10 AM | message detail
SliceSabre posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Looks like Ike has this, but Protoman should make some solid cuts with the evening vote to close the gap. Great performance here.


Calling the match 15 minutes in again BT?

I know its over 15 I'm just giving you crap man. ;)


Looks like =/= calling a match

There's also a huge difference in that Ike has a demonstratably great day vote while Protoman does not. Protoman coming back isn't outside the realm of possibility thanks to the Mega Man evening vote, but it's not looking too likely.
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#336 | XIII_rocks | Posted 7/24/2013 10:09:15 AM | message detail
First cut in a little while. Yay? Or delaying INEVITABLE DOOM?!
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#337 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 10:10:00 AM | message detail
If you're weak enough to lose to jokefodder (aka Peach), you're weak.

And right now I'd take jokefodder.
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#338 | FranzyvonKarma | Posted 7/24/2013 10:12:52 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
If you're weak enough to lose to jokefodder (aka Peach), you're weak.

And right now I'd take jokefodder.


So...GlaDOS is weak?
#339 | ZFS | Posted 7/24/2013 10:13:17 AM | message detail
Ike's not strong at all, but he isn't bottom fodder or anything. People saying 2005 results are irrelevant are more accurate than those trying to push them. 2005 might as well be one of LMS's top 100 lists on Lists.com
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#340 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 7/24/2013 10:13:45 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
If you're weak enough to lose to jokefodder (aka Peach), you're weak.

And right now I'd take jokefodder.


Tifa couldn't even double Peach back in 2006, though, plus Gordon Freeman struggled to beat her.

Plus, again, a lot of your argument is based on stats from 2005.

I'd be willing to admit Ike is weak if you're willing to admit that Crash Bandicoot = Crono.
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#341 | The Mana Sword | Posted 7/24/2013 10:14:46 AM | message detail
there's no lists on lists.com you liar
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#342 | XIII_rocks | Posted 7/24/2013 10:15:40 AM | message detail
Oh no :-(
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#343 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2013 10:15:55 AM | message detail
ZFS posted...
Ike's not strong at all, but he isn't bottom fodder or anything. People saying 2005 results are irrelevant are more accurate than those trying to push them. 2005 might as well be one of LMS's top 100 lists on Lists.com


2005 doesn't have to be relevant; Protoman was in last contest. 2005 only underscores just how BAD Robotnik was (would you expect Kuja to have boosted massively since then, Dissidia shenanigans aside?).
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#344 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 7/24/2013 10:16:12 AM | message detail
Actually, Ike/Peach could be a pretty interesting match. Ike has the slight edge, but Peach might rSFF him due to the Mario factor. Or maybe Ike SFFs the s*** out of her.
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#345 | SliceSabre | Posted 7/24/2013 10:17:09 AM | message detail
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
SliceSabre posted...
BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Looks like Ike has this, but Protoman should make some solid cuts with the evening vote to close the gap. Great performance here.


Calling the match 15 minutes in again BT?

I know its over 15 I'm just giving you crap man. ;)


Looks like =/= calling a match

There's also a huge difference in that Ike has a demonstratably great day vote while Protoman does not. Protoman coming back isn't outside the realm of possibility thanks to the Mega Man evening vote, but it's not looking too likely.

True. But I doubt it because that would require a fair amount of Ike support to fall.
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#346 | superange128 | Posted 7/24/2013 10:18:32 AM | message detail
Peach only looked liked jokefodder since she was LFFd hard

If Kirby were replaced by someone like Leon Kennedy Peach would do better (but not win of course)
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#347 | KamikazePotato | Posted 7/24/2013 10:18:58 AM | message detail
peach has never been weak either, dude! your perceptions are really skewed.
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#348 | jonthomson | Posted 7/24/2013 10:19:10 AM | message detail
ooh, a three way battle, exciting
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#349 | Not_Wylvane | Posted 7/24/2013 10:19:42 AM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
ZFS posted...
Ike's not strong at all, but he isn't bottom fodder or anything. People saying 2005 results are irrelevant are more accurate than those trying to push them. 2005 might as well be one of LMS's top 100 lists on Lists.com


2005 doesn't have to be relevant; Protoman was in last contest. 2005 only underscores just how BAD Robotnik was (would you expect Kuja to have boosted massively since then, Dissidia shenanigans aside?).


You're talking about stuff not making sense in a series of contests where Magus went from a potential N9 breaker to losing to Knuckles, Snake goes from almost losing to Bowser to upsetting Sephiroth in the span of a year, and a f***ing Tetris piece winning an entire contest.

Protoman (and Robotnik) has solid reason to boost since his last appearance, plus X has already shown off a stellar performance.

What I don't understand is why you're so adamant to argue that Crash Bandicoot = Crono.
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#350 | ShatteredElysium | Posted 7/24/2013 10:21:26 AM | message detail | (edited)
Not_Wylvane posted...
Actually, Ike/Peach could be a pretty interesting match. Ike has the slight edge, but Peach might rSFF him due to the Mario factor. Or maybe Ike SFFs the s*** out of her.


I think Peach would probably be very susceptible to SFF. It's probably not a coincidence that her 2 respectable contests are in 1v1's where she didn't have to deal with other Nintendo characters (Daisy hardly counts...) Yet as soon as you dump multiple people into the poll, she folds and underperforms by a lot
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