Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1080

#1 | Denzokuken | Posted 7/26/2013 2:41:23 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/1365

Ten years. Best ever. One last chance at contest glory for Cloud!

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~*NGamer64's Archive Sites (good stuff!) and (LOL) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language)*~
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~*GameFAQs Contests Hall of Fame*~
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~*Character Contest Histories*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Contest_Histories

~*Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings*~
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

~*All the Match Pics*~
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~*Leonhart4's Trend Charts*~
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~*Daily Vote Trends - An Explanation for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Daily_Vote_Trends

~*Acronyms and Percentages for Dummies*~
http://board8.wikia.com/wiki/Acronyms_and_Percentages

~*Say What? Common Stats Topic Lingo Defined*~

SFF (Same Fanbase Factor) - Same Fanbase Factor is the theory that, if two contestants share a common fanbase, the weaker of the two options will underperform in a direct matchup. For instance, Link was expected to defeat Ganon with 65% of the vote in 2004, based on their 2003 values. Instead, Link collected near 88% of the vote. This is the best example of SFF we've ever seen. However take some SFF labels with a grain of salt, as many people will slap it onto any match that doesn't make perfect sense.

Extrapolated Standings - The mathematical "strength" of a contestant that's determined based on their performance relative to the rest of the field. This number is typically based on the contest entrant's loss, but adjustments are sometimes made. See above for a watered down explanation for how the stats are calculated.
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#2 | Safer_777 | Posted 7/26/2013 2:48:24 PM | message detail
Shaped like a clown...
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#3 | SnoicFactor | Posted 7/26/2013 2:49:38 PM | message detail
Stupid Zack, had him going to round 3.
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#4 | Safer_777 | Posted 7/26/2013 2:50:46 PM | message detail
Well we all had.But I like that Kefka is winning.
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#5 | Blairville | Posted 7/26/2013 2:51:26 PM | message detail
Chance at contest glory? He's not beating Snake!
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#6 | LinkLegend27 | Posted 7/26/2013 2:52:42 PM | message detail
147K+ votes ;_;
#7 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 7/26/2013 2:56:05 PM | message detail
Score-Brackets-% Right
34------4------------100.00
33------43----------100.00
32------150--------98.67
31------233--------94.42
30------320--------95.00
29------469--------94.46
28------741--------95.01
27------1132------92.05
26------1524------93.57
25------1746------92.38
24------1718------91.91
23------1699------90.05
22------1370------87.30
21------1132------85.78
20------782--------81.20
19------595--------79.16
18------465--------73.12
17------334--------65.87
16------231--------60.17
15------170--------44.71
14------118--------55.08
13------71----------49.30
12------67----------32.84
11------41----------31.71
10------27----------14.81
9--------13----------23.08
8--------11----------9.09
7--------6------------16.67
6--------5------------20.00
5--------2------------0.00
4--------3------------0.00
3--------18----------0.00
2--------2------------0.00
1--------6------------0.00
0--------6------------0.00

An easy match yesterday. Only two people in the top 197 get the match wrong. The middle tiers also clear 90 in terms of prediction percentage.

No one fell off the Top 49.
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#8 | izNotPerfect | Posted 7/26/2013 2:56:34 PM | message detail
Still perfect, y'all.

Top dawg incoming.
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#9 | Achromatic | Posted 7/26/2013 2:57:25 PM | message detail
izNotPerfect posted...
Still perfect, y'all.

Top dawg incoming.


What are your picks coming up?
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#10 | Kibago | Posted 7/26/2013 2:57:36 PM | message detail
a reminder that Pikachu and Charizard are Cloud's best possible friends to help him win a second ring. i don't know why but this really amuses me.

...and I'm starting to worry he's doomed against Snake even if he gets the rat there to help-him-by-not-hurting-him. i would think he would have a smaller decline than the rest of FF7, but...jesus they all look awful
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#11 | Blairville | Posted 7/26/2013 2:57:38 PM | message detail
You picked Kefka? I respect that.
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#12 | isNotPerfect | Posted 7/26/2013 3:08:34 PM | message detail
Achromatic posted...
izNotPerfect posted...
Still perfect, y'all.

Top dawg incoming.


What are your picks coming up?

Cloud
Frog
Sly
Dante
Squirtle
Ridley (I know, BOLD ASS pick)
Shadow
Leon
Gordon Freeman

Oh hell, here's my bracket: http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/cb9_code?c=5vsjNOBg0CXr5fTrrlDF2DOPX3tFHpC4NF
#13 | Achromatic | Posted 7/26/2013 3:09:48 PM | message detail
Okay well I think Lugia makes you dead in the water but we'll see.
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#14 | The_Djoker | Posted 7/26/2013 3:10:18 PM | message detail
I wanna know what Moron thought that was a good idea to remove the bars for results.
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#15 | AsurasKordoth | Posted 7/26/2013 3:11:05 PM | message detail
Team Rocket Elite posted...
Score-Brackets-% Right
34------4------------100.00
33------43----------100.00
32------150--------98.67
31------233--------94.42
30------320--------95.00


How do you get to the page that shows the score distribution like this? It's probably obvious but I couldn't figure it out >>
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#16 | Nanis23 | Posted 7/26/2013 3:11:20 PM | message detail
Prinny>Armstrong?
#17 | swordz9 | Posted 7/26/2013 3:12:49 PM | message detail
I can't wait to see the first 10-30mins of tonight's match. Prinny might look great for a minute or two!
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#18 | WhiteLens | Posted 7/26/2013 3:26:47 PM | message detail
All Hail KefkaFAQs
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#19 | pjbasis | Posted 7/26/2013 3:45:02 PM | message detail
yeah this result destroyed me
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#20 | Masato_Tanaka | Posted 7/26/2013 3:47:55 PM | message detail
How many perfects are we gonna lose after today?
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#21 | scaryice | Posted 7/26/2013 4:01:38 PM | message detail
Man, I feel so smart for picking Kefka today. I knew FF fans wouldn't take a minor character like Zack over him, stats be damned. I wouldn't say that means FF7 is super weak, though, just Zack. This is one of those picks where if you didn't know anything about contests, you'd say of course it makes sense that Kefka > Zack.
#22 | Kibago | Posted 7/26/2013 4:05:20 PM | message detail
Kefka still having some great updates.
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#23 | ffmasterjose | Posted 7/26/2013 4:35:04 PM | message detail
Sly Cooper? LOL.

If you're still perfect after that INP, you deserve to win the contest.

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#24 | SonicRaptor | Posted 7/26/2013 4:35:23 PM | message detail
Masato_Tanaka posted...
How many perfects are we gonna lose after today?


I'm going to be bold and say "all of them" because, wow, I was absolutely not expecting this upset to happen.
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#25 | Team Rocket Elite (Moderator) | Posted 7/26/2013 4:42:21 PM | message detail
AsurasKordoth posted...
Team Rocket Elite posted...
Score-Brackets-% Right
34------4------------100.00
33------43----------100.00
32------150--------98.67
31------233--------94.42
30------320--------95.00


How do you get to the page that shows the score distribution like this? It's probably obvious but I couldn't figure it out >>


There isn't one. I make the chart myself using the data points from the graph.
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#26 | GloryChaos | Posted 7/26/2013 4:42:37 PM | message detail
ffmasterjose posted...
Sly Cooper? LOL.

If you're still perfect after that INP, you deserve to win the contest.

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I'm more worried about Crono beating Pikachu in that bracket...
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#27 | White_Tiger | Posted 7/26/2013 4:50:23 PM | message detail
would Cloud getting 70% next match stop the 'FF7 is weak' talk?
#28 | superange128 | Posted 7/26/2013 4:52:05 PM | message detail
White_Tiger posted...
would Cloud getting 70% next match stop the 'FF7 is weak' talk?


it would just be FF7 except Cloud is weak
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#29 | Safer_777 | Posted 7/26/2013 4:53:17 PM | message detail
Link got 72% and he is much stronger than Cloud.So that can't happen.
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#30 | TAFKAHurricane | Posted 7/26/2013 4:53:39 PM | message detail
Well probably gonna drop out of the Top Ten in the Expert board after losing 4 points. Sucks too because I was perfect otherwise in this division :(
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#31 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 7/26/2013 4:53:54 PM | message detail
Safer_777 posted...
Link got 72% and he is much stronger than Cloud.So that can't happen.


Cloud to break 75% confirmed
#32 | Lopen | Posted 7/26/2013 4:54:50 PM | message detail
FF7 being weak would make some sense for a few reasons. Remember back in 2002 when we similarly had ass vote totals FF7 looked pretty bad relative to later years. People like to attribute it to KH but what if it was mostly just a result of the size of the voterbase increasing? As this site became more mainstream the more casual RPG characters got stronger.

Just something to think about. (Cloud would probably need 75% to put that talk to rest-- he's got trash fodder to beat up)
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#33 | swordz9 | Posted 7/26/2013 4:56:56 PM | message detail
I could see Cloud getting 70% if only because he's up against a Disgaea character and an unknown (in strength) MGS related character. I could also see him being below 70% though because of anti-voting and FF7 characters looking pretty bad this year so hell Prinny could crack 23-25% with Armstrong at another 15-25% for all I know >_>
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#34 | abdou | Posted 7/26/2013 5:04:03 PM | message detail
Just something to think about. (Cloud would probably need 75% to put that talk to rest-- he's got trash fodder to beat up)

75% is unrealistic. Cloud's opponents are not much weaker than Link's , I would take Prinny>Isaac(Binding) easily , and Tingle probably beats Sen. Steven Armstrong but not by much. If Link managed only 72% Cloud getting 70% would be amazing, I am thinking Cloud gets around 64-65%
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#35 | Lopen | Posted 7/26/2013 5:08:15 PM | message detail
I'm not saying 75% is realistic I'm just saying I don't think Cloud getting anything less would stop the FF7 is weak talk. It's just a match against fodders that doesn't really mean much.
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#36 | nkansas13 | Posted 7/26/2013 5:25:59 PM | message detail
Cloud can't do much better than 60% in any match. A third of voters will literally vote for anyone else on the site over Cloud and Sephiroth, and antivoting alone should keep him below Link levels.
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#37 | vcharon | Posted 7/26/2013 5:29:52 PM | message detail
Zack losing handily means bad things. No one's gonna beat Link legit again, and the one guy that actually has beaten him people anti-vote into the ground under some perceived notion he always wins. Ah well... it's nice to see KEFKA of all people surprise and overperform, but still.
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#38 | vcharon | Posted 7/26/2013 5:30:41 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
I'm not saying 75% is realistic I'm just saying I don't think Cloud getting anything less would stop the FF7 is weak talk. It's just a match against fodders that doesn't really mean much.


Cloud will be lucky to break 60%, same as Sephiroth's struggles. It won't matter how much of fodder Armstrong and Prinny are unfortunately.
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#39 | Karma Hunter | Posted 7/26/2013 5:34:12 PM | message detail
I'd take Snake's R1 competition over Link's any day (particularly when you consider that Tingle was heavily SFFed), and he got about the same percentage as Link.

Of course, you're talking about antivotes there, which Cloud is going to have to deal with, but it's not impossible. Also Snake is going to win so there's that too~
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#40 | vcharon | Posted 7/26/2013 5:37:25 PM | message detail
The only chance of Link losing is Draven with a dedicated rally, and I'd rather just see Link win than that.
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#41 | 1337gamerpr0 | Posted 7/26/2013 5:39:58 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter posted...
I'd take Snake's R1 competition over Link's any day (particularly when you consider that Tingle was heavily SFFed), and he got about the same percentage as Link.

Of course, you're talking about antivotes there, which Cloud is going to have to deal with, but it's not impossible. Also Snake is going to win so there's that too~


no he won't
he'll lose in the semis to Pikachu
#42 | GloryChaos | Posted 7/26/2013 6:20:53 PM | message detail
Zack isn't even trying to keep up anymore.
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#43 | lightsout06 | Posted 7/26/2013 6:36:15 PM | message detail
well I lost 3 points off this match
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#44 | raginbull911 | Posted 7/26/2013 6:39:40 PM | message detail
This is a glorious day; Kefka has finally performed to a level expected of him 10 years ago, when most had given up hope in his performance. His trollishness and jestering has transcended FF6 and has now entered GameFAQs contest lore. The son of a submariner truly HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATEs all of the gurus of Board 8.
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#45 | AxemRedRanger | Posted 7/26/2013 6:59:53 PM | message detail
Lopen posted...
FF7 being weak would make some sense for a few reasons. Remember back in 2002 when we similarly had ass vote totals FF7 looked pretty bad relative to later years. People like to attribute it to KH but what if it was mostly just a result of the size of the voterbase increasing? As this site became more mainstream the more casual RPG characters got stronger.

Just something to think about.


Hey, I like this theory. Hopefully it pans out.

It would actually make most of FFVII's performances look a lot better! In addition to the current match, Hero not being junk and KOS-MOS being a respectable midcarder would mean good things for Aeris and Vincent. Barret can be blamed on him being a newcomer that was expected to be the weakest not-Zolom FFVII character anyways, and...uh, well, lol Sephiroth.
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#46 | charmander6000 | Posted 7/26/2013 7:05:05 PM | message detail
Match XXXVII: (1) Cloud Strife vs. (18) Senator Steven Armstrong vs. (27) Prinny

Previous Contest

Cloud Strife – 2010
71.72% against Ridley
71.99% against Chris Redfield
69.93% against Captain Falcon
65.98% against Ryu
52.81% against Samus Aran
52.09% against Solid Snake
46.46% against Link

Senator Steven Armstrong – N/A
N/A

Prinny – 2010
37.51% against Ike

Analysis

Cloud Strife is considered to be the other character with a decent chance at upsetting Link in the finals due to Nintendo split, but the performances of the other characters in his game has left the board unimpressed. Regardless Cloud is still one of the strongest characters in this bracket and should have no issue scoring a large blowout win in this match.

The fight for second could be interesting. Since 2010 Prinny has made appearances in Disgaea and his own game and now that Ike’s stats have been more formally recognized he does have some strength. I am not sure why as Laharl is not the strongest of characters and you would think Prinny would be weaker than he is. There is the possibility that he over performed in 2010, but he did look pretty good in the 27 seed poll, not that the poll should be taken seriously.

While it is no Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Rising has been one of the more popular games released this year. I do not see Armstrong having much strength, mostly because other Metal Gear villains are not very impressive and they are from much more popular games. He also does not have those crazy, over the top personalities that we are so used to seeing.

The main reason I am taking Prinny over Armstrong is the picture, being a guy in a suit just does not draw in the voters. As badly as Final Fantasy VII has been performing Cloud should be able to break 60%, his opponents should be weaker than Sephiroth’s and he got close enough to 60%.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Cloud Strife > Prinny and Senator Steven Armstrong

charmander6000’s Prediction: Cloud Strife – 60.66%, Prinny – 21.25%, Senator Steven Armstrong – 18.09%
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#47 | DoctorJimmy133 | Posted 7/26/2013 7:46:05 PM | message detail
I'm considering the possibility that we could see all of FFVII's cast tanking except Cloud because he's the face of the game.
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#48 | White_Tiger | Posted 7/26/2013 7:52:12 PM | message detail
If people hate FF7 now Cloud should have the worst of it because he is the face of the game
#49 | UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/26/2013 8:00:54 PM | message detail
Kefka WON?!

Christ, that guy makes absolutely no sense.
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#50 | Kotetsu534 | Posted 7/26/2013 8:04:26 PM | message detail
You have to assume that Zack and Kefka are hurting each other, if only very slightly. In which case, Kefka is doing about as well on Ryu Hayabusa as he did on Arthas in 2010. Legendary troll.
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