I won't be surprised if two days from now we're treated to a big rematch between SotC and MGS3.



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SOTC one of the games most deserving of winning the whole thing.
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SotC is losing. MGS hasn't looked so terrible that it wouldn't get 60% on RDR (I would take Earthbound over RDR in a heartbeat).
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I'm agnostic on whatever the explanation is, I'm just more inclined to believe almost anything - anything at all - than I am the proposition that Skyrim = Oblivion. Well, okay, maybe Oblivion > Skyrim would be worse, but you get what I'm driving at
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Goddamn Ocarina of Time
So how come FFVII gets a remake trailer two days before it's big match but Pokemon big match is two days before a big reveal in CoroCoro? (Which can be just movie news, but maybe a new game reveal too)
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So how come FFVII gets a remake trailer two days before it's big match but Pokemon big match is two days before a big reveal in CoroCoro? (Which can be just movie news, but maybe a new game reveal too)


Because Super Mario Sunshine came out on the day of Mario vs. Cloud in 2002.
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FFVII's big match isn't until round 5, silly.
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I wonder if Europeans, confronted with two games they don't care about at all, just click the one with the word MARIO in it?
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This will be what pushes FFVII to be the champion! I swear - if FFVII manages to win it all, I will be so excited that I will eat a copy of the game!!
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This contest has been like a dream ever since that the start of that FFX match. I was still a little nervous going into it, then I voted and saw CT at 67%......I almost don't want the Melee match to arrive, this new contest reality where CT is a top tier game with OOT feels too good to be true.
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I also think the SSBM match is the time of true verification for CT. If Melee breaks 45%+ outside of something like a large rally I think we have to write off its dreams of being #1. If it can put up a reasonably punishing performance, though, I'll put it in the clear - something like FF7 surprising against it I'd put on FF7's strength, not CT's weakness.
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LinkMarioSamus posted...
SOTC one of the games most deserving of winning the whole thing.
Yes it is!
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FF7 is going to be an action RPG whaaaaat!?

Blah. Don't know if it matters for contest purposes but I'm personally disappointed.

I assume no world map, but didn't expect an action RPG.

I hope you can at least switch to other characters.
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12/5/2015 1:15:54 PM#16
Stop quoting LMS.
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creativename posted...

I hope you can at least switch to other characters.


You can play as everybody, seemingly. It seems like it still has some menu-based commands, so it's tough to say on what spectrum of the action RPG style it is. Given it's Nomura, something in the realm of KH wouldn't be surprising.

Looks nice, though.

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It looked like KH where you can switch to other characters
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creativename posted...
FF7 is going to be an action RPG whaaaaat!?


A new trailer was just shown earlier today showing some of the combat in the game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UWcBhdYlow
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red sox 777 posted...
I support Square putting in Link as a super hard bonus boss fight.


I'm fine with Cloud being able to beat Link any time he wants, too, yeah.

Game looks great though.
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MGS3 sadly aint getting past this round.
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ctesjbuvf posted...
MGS3 sadly aint getting past this round.


Not sadly. ME2 is GOAT

But ME2 vs SOTC....damn thats hard for me. Have to with my heart over my head in that one so SOTC wins
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creativename posted...
FF7 is going to be an action RPG whaaaaat!?


A new trailer was just shown earlier today showing some of the combat in the game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UWcBhdYlow

Yeah that's how I found out.
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I still favor MGS3.

RE4 vs. SMRPG is a toss up though.
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LMS posted in the last stats topic...
ME2 shall not take out the best Metal Gear.

For all I'm going on about SOTC I might vote for Metal Gear Solid over it. I had a lot of fun revisiting it last year while I haven't played SOTC in ages. Been thinking of revisiting it maybe next year though.

The really stupid thing is that MGS2 doing so well makes it seem like the Metal Gear name means a lot, then you look at the rest of the contest and scratch your head. MGS2 was also probably the Metal Gear game that looked least bad in GOTD too, though that may be because we never put any expectations on it in the first place.

In an earlier topic I suggested that MGS2 vs. Metroid Prime might be a debatable match, but it probably isn't.

Hey Ulti may I say something that'll piss you off?


LMS's question to Ulti went unanswered in the last topic.
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unless we get ME2 vs. SOTC as a bonus match you won't have to worry about that

SOTC isn't beating MGS1
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LeonhartFour posted...
SOTC isn't beating MGS1


Make that your sig
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why would I do some lame thing like that
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No reason in particular.

Well, there's the fact that that gif shows my college getting embarassed.

And the fact that the upset is real
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Even if you're right, I have to act like you're not, so come over here and fight.
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LeonhartFour posted...
unless we get ME2 vs. SOTC as a bonus match you won't have to worry about that

SOTC isn't beating MGS1


Another great LH prediction. Maybe you'll get one right this contest!
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Hope we get MGS/MGS3 for some fun intra-series dynamics there, but if there's to be a spoiler I'd bet on ME2 over SotC. Don't see MGS1 failing to break 60% on RDR.
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So someone remind why we only brought the Starcraft and ME2 rallies up to defend MGS3's performance, but fail to mention that those same voters were almost definitely picking MGS1 over Earthbound, and RDR over SotC.
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Januzaj_Dragon posted...
LeonhartFour posted...
unless we get ME2 vs. SOTC as a bonus match you won't have to worry about that

SOTC isn't beating MGS1


Another great LH prediction. Maybe you'll get one right this contest!


Becuase it's not like Leonhart has been on the leaderboard for a decent bit of the contest or anything.
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creativename posted...
I still favor MGS3.

RE4 vs. SMRPG is a toss up though.


Hm, I have it the other way around.
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Januzaj_Dragon posted...
Another great LH prediction. Maybe you'll get one right this contest!


*points to Analysis Crew scoreboard*

I hesitate to do the "and how many points does your bracket have" thing so I'll settle for this

I guess I can also requote this post in a few hours when MGS1 is winning or something
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MechanicalWall posted...
So someone remind why we only brought the Starcraft and ME2 rallies up to defend MGS3's performance, but fail to mention that those same voters were almost definitely picking MGS1 over Earthbound, and RDR over SotC.


I doubt it had a huge effect in one direction or the other for MGS1/EarthBound. RDR may have overperformed a bit, sure, but SOTC still wasn't doing that great before the rally kicked in.
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12/5/2015 2:33:39 PM#40
What were the percentages for those matches expected to be without rallies? I can't remember if anyone actually tried to work it out like we do for Undertale match days.
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Hard to say because it's hard to quantify how many extra votes we got. It wasn't that significant though because the vote totals weren't really any higher than we've seen in other matches.
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I can't see how it didn't have an almost equivalent effect on MGS1 vs. Earthbound; the people coming over to vote for either SC or ME2 have probably at least heard of MGS, which is way more than I would say about Earthbound.

Regardless, I don't see why Earthbound > RDR would be an 'obvious' pick. Using GTAV vs. Mario RPG as a frame of reference for that match (Modern Rockstar game vs. SNES RPG), GTAV got about 43% of Mario RPG. I don't think Earthbound is as anywhere near as good as Mario RPG, while I would argue that RDR seems to get a lot more respect than any GTA game, and I think it could beat San Andreas and GTAV pretty comfortably. Factoring all that in, I think RDR might be able to take Earthbound in a close match. Add that to rallies that made SotC underpreform, and MGS vs. SotC is still a debatable match,
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The primary basis for Earthbound > RDR is their round 1 matches. RDR got around the same percentage on Bayonetta 2 that Earthbound got on The Borderlands.

Bayonetta 2 being a Wii U exclusive, that's seen as the much weaker game. Maybe a bit unfair, since fans of the first probably voted for Bayo 2.
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Evillordexdeath posted...
Maybe a bit unfair, since fans of the first probably voted for Bayo 2.


That's what I figured. And I've never seen any site with as much fervent praise for Bayonetta as GameFaqs.

Besides, spectacle fighters seem to be this site's style more than a 'loot and shoot' game; despite the LOLWiiU sentiment here, and taking the series' pedigree in mind, I might still take Bayonetta in a close match against Borderlands, or at least keep it extremely close. And RDR did a bit better than Earthbound, too: 64% vs. %59. That's a decent amount of room to squeeze into.
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The original Bayonetta probably wasn't that strong either, but "franchise voting" doesn't work as cleanly as you guys are claiming or every game from the same series would be the same strength.
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Considering Bayonetta 2 literally came with the first game, though...
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If you guys think mgs3 will win youve got another thing coming.

I will rally for me2 hard. Harder than i f*** my girlfriend when shes ovulating.
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Yuri_LowelI posted...
If you guys think mgs3 will win youve got another thing coming.

I will rally for me2 hard. Harder than i f*** my girlfriend when shes ovulating.


haven't you been saying this literally all contest to literally zero noticeable effect?
did the first Bayonetta come with the second game
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Reg posted...
haven't you been saying this literally all contest to literally zero noticeable effect?


the joke is that he doesn't have a girlfriend
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