Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1358

CaptainOfCrush posted...

There's plenty of depth in quality fighting games, including Ultimate.

There seems to be an awfully vocal contingent speaking out against Ultimate as a GOTD contender, yet that wasn't the case for Melee and Brawl in GOTD 1?

Again, I feel like the best games of the 2010s are a more commonly-accepted bunch than the 2000s. Heck, what games did I see pop up most often on lists of the best games of the 2000s? Hmmm, Shadow of the Colossus, Half-Life 2, Portal, Resident Evil 4, Super Mario Galaxy, Diablo II...and it doesn't feel like any of those were as much of a consensus as stuff like Dark Souls, Witcher 3, and Breath of the Wild are for the 2010s.

There are stronger games this contest. Last contest brawl was legit strongest gsme but it was hated and rightly so. Brawl being GOTD would have been utterly embarrassing for the site.

smash ultimate less so. But luckily unlike brawl ultimate has a juggernaut zelda so its not going to win squat.

if World of Light didnt suck ass Ultimate would have a more reasonable argument

but with being just a good multiplayer game how is it different than your ocerwatch and fortnite? Id take tekken 7 over smash its a far better fighter.

for me the game has become a medium for overhyped character reveals. Take out half the ccharacters its gets handily beaten by odyssey.

when you compare it to games like Dark souls BOTW and witcher its not even on the same level as far as respect goes.

BOTW is going to destroy it next round and rightly so.

Some New Vegas matches:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6105-best-game-ever-day-14-fallout-new-vegas-vs-bioshock-infinite
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6142-best-game-ever-day-23-round-2-fallout-new-vegas-vs-resident
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/8020-division-5-semifinal-fallout-new-vegas-vs-god-of-war

And, just for fun: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/8005-division-7-round-2-batman-arkham-city-vs-bioshock-infinite

I wonder how strong RE4 was in 2015...

I've seen Majora's Mask on more "best of the decade" lists than either Smash game or FFX to be fair, and more than any other Zelda game from that decade.

Also MM more or less verified its GOTD strength in 2015. At worst it was slightly weaker than Brawl "normally".

Mac Arrowny posted...

Some New Vegas matches:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6105-best-game-ever-day-14-fallout-new-vegas-vs-bioshock-infinite
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6142-best-game-ever-day-23-round-2-fallout-new-vegas-vs-resident
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/8020-division-5-semifinal-fallout-new-vegas-vs-god-of-war

And, just for fun: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/8005-division-7-round-2-batman-arkham-city-vs-bioshock-infinite

I wonder how strong RE4 was in 2015...

Again, to be fair Fallout 4 hype may have been in effect that contest. Still not a good outlook though.

Fallout 76 might have tanked New Vegas, although Andromeda seemed to have an negligible impact on ME2

LinkMarioSamus posted...

yet that wasn't the case for Melee and Brawl in GOTD 1?

I remember quite well not wanting Smash to win.

I've said before, if any game has escaped the 'Bethesda bad' sentiment that's become more and more prevalent since FO4 (let alone 76), it's New Vegas, which gets lionized in a lot of places for being the Fallout game NOT developed by Bethesda itself. When ppl trash talk FO4 and 76, NV is the ideal they're held against.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6105-best-game-ever-day-14-fallout-new-vegas-vs-bioshock-infinite

That one hit me hard. BioShock Infinite looked bad but the problem could have been higher up the chain.

MechanicalWall posted...

Damn and they didn't even do that so I guess they never made a good game

Well whatever, you know what I mean. Uncharted may have looked pretty but there was not much else there

MechanicalWall posted...

I've said before, if any game has escaped the 'Bethesda bad' sentiment that's become more and more prevalent since FO4 (let alone 76), it's New Vegas, which gets lionized in a lot of places for being the Fallout game NOT developed by Bethesda itself. When ppl trash talk FO4 and 76, NV is the ideal they're held against.

I mean that's what I assumed as well (I briefly had NV over GoW), but something's clearly happened to NV this contest. Alternatively, GoW's actually legit and just got SFFed into the ground by Witcher 3.

Could New Vegas defeat Fallout 3 now? Everyone and their mothers think New Vegas is better.

squexa posted...

Fallout 76 might have tanked New Vegas, although Andromeda seemed to have an negligible impact on ME2

I meant New Vegas declined from 2015 because that contest took place in the midst of Fallout 4 hype. Nothing (much) to do with 76.

Wow that makes Undertale look like even more of a monster in 2015. Holy god.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I meant New Vegas declined from 2015 because that contest took place in the midst of Fallout 4 hype. Nothing (much) to do with 76.

Wow that makes Undertale look like even more of a monster in 2015. Holy god.

I find it hard to believe NV would boost that much purely from hype from 4 or that it only reaps the benefits of hype from other Fallout titles but get none of the backlash.

I don't think Fallout 4 did new vegas any favors. if anything it created anti-hype for the series in general.

tgs2 posted...

Using 2017 GotY polls, Smash would probably get around 35-37% (against BOTW) if you assume equal levels of SFFing done to both Odyssey and SSBU.

That’s what I have in my contest entry. But Smash games have a cult following & I can see it getting upper 30s to lower 40s.

So is Persona 5 totally well done or just cooked?

Today is gonna be a day of reckoning I feel

SuperNiceDog posted...

So is Persona 5 totally well done or just cooked?

Today is gonna be a day of reckoning I feel

Just cooked. Yoblazer has a point here; we've never really seen "western SFF" before, so Witcher 3 might be humbled a little. We also know Persona is going to rally its ass off, and it'll be more effective against Witcher than it was against another JRPG.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Just cooked. Yoblazer has a point here; we've never really seen "western SFF" before, so Witcher 3 might be humbled a little. We also know Persona is going to rally its ass off, and it'll be more effective against Witcher than it was against another JRPG.

Yea! we need a hentai rally today to have a chance. Today is gonna be fun. Persona gets at least 46% I feel which would make me happy enough

I feel any sizable Persona 5 rally would easily be countered with a Witcher 3 rally.

Leonhart4 posted...

For the record, right now BOTW would be projected to get 59.34% on MGS3.

I suspect it does much higher due to "pace destroying bulls*** game mechanics SFF"

no rallies today?

Leonhart4 posted...

For the record, right now BOTW would be projected to get 59.34% on MGS3.

That fits in line with it being inbetween MM and ALttP. BotW vs. MM is going to be a good bonus match if it happens.

Remember that Witcher had a pre-rally post... somewhere.

I really wish SSBU would stop floating around the 59.5% mark so I know if I'm getting my point or not for my Second Chance bracket.

tgs2 posted...

That fits in line with it being inbetween MM and ALttP. BotW vs. MM is going to be a good bonus match if it happens.

Let's get a full on 2000s vs 2010s bonus match

MM vs BotW
Brawl vs Witcher 3
FFX vs Ultimate
Fallout 3 vs Skyrim/DS

Glad xenoblade is losing. Trash game.

kevi959 posted...

Glad xenoblade is losing. Trash game.

It's in many ways the star of the contest, and currently doing respectably against a game that would SFF many other strong Nintendo exclusives into the dirt.

tgs2 posted...

That fits in line with it being inbetween MM and ALttP. BotW vs. MM is going to be a good bonus match if it happens.

Hey, remember when everyone was jumping down my throat when I said MM was stronger than BotW?

squexa posted...

MM vs BotW
Brawl vs Witcher 3
FFX vs Ultimate
Fallout 3 vs Skyrim/DS

I understand your ordering here and agree it's probably best (assuming Witcher 3 > Skyrim/DS)...but there's a side of me that wants to see Ultimate > Brawl.

Anclation posted...

It's in many ways the star of the contest, and currently doing respectably against a game that would SFF many other strong Nintendo exclusives into the dirt.

Yeah i get it, people on this site want to see it win as an underdog. I just dont believe it belongs in any reasonable discussion about game of the decade. It lost awards left and right the year it came out to other games that are considered much more influential to the decade as a whole. Never heard anyone even mention it a year after it came out in conversations. People still talk about skryim, mass effect, The witcher 3, etc to this day.

then again, who am i to say. I just play games.

Xenoblade went from a single niche game that Nintendo of America long couldn't be bothered to localize to a well-established and growing series (Xenoblade 2 is easily the best-selling Xeno game ever) due to XB1 being so well-received and beloved. No s*** it's not as big as Skyrim or Witcher 3 - it's still obviously an extremely beloved game in its own right, and only seems to be gaining in strength.

Xenoblade has become a bona fide franchise since then, and has gained in stature through representation in Smash.

Then again I watch a lot of The Runaway Guys (Xenoblade is Chuggaaconroy's favorite game), so yeah.

A lot of games that got very far in the previous GOTD tournament have decreased in popularity. Brawl would never beat Melee in this day and age. Likewise Metroid Prime wouldn't lose to Fallout 3. What else? TP vs Galaxy would also be much closer

Metroid Prime probably beats every game in this bracket other than Breath of the Wild, Smash, Witcher, and maybe Dark Souls.

LOL

Are we talking bonus matches? If last time is any indication and we get a full slate of 4, we'll get the semifinal losers paired up. Ultimate vs. Skyrim/Dark Souls would be worth seeing and could at least give us a point of reference for X-Stats adjustments, even if they wouldn't be totally accurate.

Anclation posted...

Xenoblade went from a single niche game that Nintendo of America long couldn't be bothered to localize to a well-established and growing series (Xenoblade 2 is easily the best-selling Xeno game ever) due to XB1 being so well-received and beloved. No s*** it's not as big as Skyrim or Witcher 3 - it's still obviously an extremely beloved game in its own right, and only seems to be gaining in strength.

youre right. Its not as big a game. Less influential as well.

this is just an echo chamber of people who have similar tastes. Go anywhere outside this forum and say that xenoblades is the game of the decade. Theyll think youre high.

We could also do GOTD runnerups as a bonus match. FFX/Witcher 3 would be interesting.

I know Brawl was technically the runnerup, and I guess it would be interesting to see what it would do now, but yeah, give me FFX instead if we'd already have one Smash game in a bonus match.

kevi959 posted...

youre right. Its not as big a game. Less influential as well.

this is just an echo chamber of people who have similar tastes. Go anywhere outside this forum and say that xenoblades is the game of the decade. Theyll think youre high.

hey bro, I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, but Xenoblade is not actually winning.

redrocket posted...

hey bro, I’m not sure if you’ve noticed, but Xenoblade is not actually winning.

Yeah fo sho. Posted a page back that i was glad to finally see it lose. Thats what started this convo.

also, to be completely fair, the matchups it won up to now were deserved.

Had xenoblades been put in division 5 it wouldnt have made it past one or two matchups. Division 4 is a much easier division to get through. Meanwhile many of the potential winners of the GOTD were put into the same starting brackets to knock each other out over in D5.

kind of lame.

DS/Skyrim feels like DS is going to destroy Skyrim early while Skyrim does so late given how the trends have been so far.

It's going to come doen to how badly Skrim loses the first quarter of the match.

I predict Skyrim will take the lead after the first five minutes, then Dark Souls will jump up and win the first hour. After that, it depends on how much of a lead Dark Souls got.

kevi959 posted...

Yeah fo sho. Posted a page back that i was glad to finally see it lose. Thats what started this convo.

also, to be completely fair, the matchups it won up to now were deserved.

Had xenoblades been put in division 5 it wouldnt have made it past one or two matchups. Division 4 is a much easier division to get through. Meanwhile many of the potential winners of the GOTD were put into the same starting brackets to knock each other out over in D5.

kind of lame.

What are the winners of GOTD that were in division 5 besides maaaaaaaybe The Witcher?

Mario Galaxy 2 looked pretty good too, but that game I can certainly see Xenoblade beating without much difficulty (Odyssey was the top Mario game of this contest).

Bonus matches sound terrific until CD Projekt Red links to the Witcher 3 in its final two hours against LoZ:BotW.

(but do them anyway)

kevi959 posted...

youre right. Its not as big a game. Less influential as well.

this is just an echo chamber of people who have similar tastes. Go anywhere outside this forum and say that xenoblades is the game of the decade. Theyll think youre high.

Xenoblade as game of the decade somewhere else would probably be seen as a respectable hipster pick, people know of the franchise and know that it's good, it was one of the most well-reviewed games in its release year and Smash obviously boosted its notability, very few people seem to dislike it too

Outside of a Xenoblade fansite, I doubt anywhere would crown them GotD. Any place where it would do well it would lose to BotW and/or SMO etc.

Play Mass Effect 3