Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1358

Leonhart4 posted...

It's the perfect cover because who would suspect it!

dont insult me. I would never pretend to have awful opinions. That's what genuine trolls do. I might annoy people unintentionally but im honest about my feelings towards everything.

ctesjbuvf posted...

You're still vastly undervaluing UC4, it's the best selling PS4 of all which is significantly more than UC2 even counting the Nathan Drake Collection. It was huge when it came out.

i'm not talking about sales. i'm talking about critical acclaim. ND has fallen off as time went on in that regard. (while games like Souls have risen)

Team Rocket Elite posted...

Mario Kart games are secretly a beast. Super Mario Kart really is on par with Super Metroid.

I don't know if I would go as far as to put SMK on par with the disgustingly strong Super Metroid we saw in 2015, but I would definitely put it Top 32 of the 2015 field without a thought.

hentai rally spoted

no other rallies of note right now, same dude posted a non-hentai rally that has no traction so far

doesn't seem to matter much tho

ctesjbuvf posted...

We already needed to have Super Mario Kart in again after how legit SNES and in particular Super Metroid was last time.

In fact, why not just have a contest full of all these titles that just missed the boat in 2015 a year from now? Game of the 90s would be a sick contest.

_SecretSquirrel posted...

In fact, why not just have a contest full of all these titles that just missed the boat in 2015 a year from now? Game of the 90s would be a sick contest.

Allen would still find a way to shaft Sonic 3 & Knuckles

Never forget

Leonhart4 posted...

Allen would still find a way to shaft Sonic 3 & Knuckles

Never forget

Maybe we could just petition Allen to put Sonic 3 and S&K against each other in the first round, and that's how we combine them somehow.

Sharinnegan posted...

i'm not talking about sales. i'm talking about critical acclaim. ND has fallen off as time went on in that regard. (while games like Souls have risen)

But it had that!

Id take Super Mario Kart to beat Skyrim

Yeah, Uncharted 4 was very well received!

Leonhart4 posted...

Yeah, Uncharted 4 was very well received!

so was Death Stranding to an extent.

I said in the other topic that the optics for these matches were gonna be a mess, and they are

Dark Souls is absolutely doinking TLOU right now and making its side of the bracket look really bad, but how much do the leaks matter? 2%? 3%? 8%? Who knows.

Meanwhile I never thought Skyrim was dropping its Division, and I'm sure some ppl are gonna call this performance a 'comeback'. But I feel NieR was overrated from the word go and this could just be that side of the Division being exposed ala P4G vs XBC.

gonna bring it back -- I still think Mario Kart 64 beats most of the games in this bracket, including every game in this match but Skyrim

Skyrim (2015g) VS Bayonetta 2 (2015g)

Skyrim has a strength of 34.93.
Bayonetta 2 has a strength of 17.72.

Skyrim wins with 74.63% of the vote!
A win of 29,993 with 60,875 total votes cast.

Skyrim is currently projected to get 73.14% on Bayonetta 2 and rising.

Mario Kart games are pretty good until they come into contact with a respectable Nintendo game.

Uncharted 4 wasn't nearly as well received as we'd expect from naughty dog's level of critical renown back in the UC2 days

I believe Death Stranding won more awards than Uncharted 4 at the respective game awards of their years.

also that was a while back. general opinion on ND games have further fallen off since then. its still very good mind you, but its not anywhere near the "these guys are the peak of video game development!" sentiment that once enveloped the gaming community

If Dark Souls is just going to keep rising like a madman, how would you rank Arkham City vs. Spiderman?

Sharinnegan posted...

I believe Death Stranding won more awards than Uncharted 4 at the respective game awards of their years.

it also received a lot more backlash

Team Rocket Elite posted...

Skyrim (2015g) VS Bayonetta 2 (2015g)

Skyrim has a strength of 34.93.
Bayonetta 2 has a strength of 17.72.

Skyrim wins with 74.63% of the vote!
A win of 29,993 with 60,875 total votes cast.

Skyrim is currently projected to get 73.14% on Bayonetta 2 and rising.

Also, of interest...

Pokemon G/S/C (2015g) VS Skyrim (2015g)

Pokemon G/S/C has a strength of 33.68.
Skyrim has a strength of 34.93.

Skyrim wins with 51.79% of the vote!
A win of 2,178 with 60,875 total votes cast.

So, maybe Heart Gold isn't incredibly off from the original. The real surprising thing was that maybe Divinity is somewhat legit after all.

Maybe Pre-Crisis Last of Us put some Western SFF on Arkham City

That's my new favorite buzzword

Holy crap, is Dark Souls seriously doing this without a dedicated rally? >_> I feel like I'm missing something here.

TheCodeisBosco posted...

Holy crap, is Dark Souls seriously doing this without a dedicated rally? >_> I feel like I'm missing something here.

didn't read those TLOU2 leaks huh

KamikazePotato posted...

Maybe Pre-Crisis Last of Us put some Western SFF on Arkham City

That's my new favorite buzzword

'Pre-Crisis' or 'Western SFF'

Because both are funny in different ways

Sharinnegan posted...

also that was a while back. general opinion on ND games have further fallen off since then

Now this I agree with. But I brought UC4 up because they were still on top then.

Death Stranding wasn't close it reviews. I don't know what you think was expected of UC4. It was meant to be the ending of the series, so no they didn't drastically improve everything in the way UC2 did, but it kept the quality, drew a load of new people in and people loved it.

"Pre-Crisis" sounds like one of those terms you'd see in VS topics

"Pre Crisis Last of Us vs Ultra instinct Dark Souls"

Skyrim breaks 56%

LeonhartFour posted...

it also received a lot more backlash

and rightly so. It was f***ing s***.

oh hey I'm on the second chance leaderboard

Skyrim finally looks like a god damn superstar and Dark Souls is over on the other side casually looking like the #2 game on the site.

Nothing ever goes right for Skyrim.

LeonhartFour posted...

it also received a lot more backlash

Death Stranding was probably the first true "Oscar Bait" kind of game given all the hype surrounding it. TLoU was much less divisive than this despite having the same criticism thrown at it.

Death Stranding probably has a much better reception if Kojima had managed expectations of it better. You can't release an AAA game wildly different from every other AAA game out there without carefully and clearly explaining your vision behind the game, but the marketing/buildup for the game relied largely on obfuscating what exactly the game was.

LeonhartFour posted...

Skyrim breaks 56%

if you had said before the contest skyrim would barely break 60 on Nier everyone would have laughed

If Kojima was about front about what Death Stranding was it would have sold 4 copies

Honestly, I applaud these attempts to broaden the appeal of gaming. This may sound crazy at first and may open up a pandora's box of discussion, but I don't think every video game needs to be "traditionally fun" so long as it is engaging. The developers who go down that route open themselves up to a lot of criticism though, as there is that segment of gaming fans who do believe that fun (and fluid, intuitive gameplay) is king.

This is also why Nintendo has never really faced this type of criticism - their games are the epitome of fun.

i had death stranding preordered and watched a lot of trailers and gameplay and i felt on day 1 i only had a loose idea of what the game even was

never had that experience before and probably never will again

MechanicalWall posted...

If Kojima was about front about what Death Stranding was it would have sold 4 copies

I disagree. The up-front sales would have been less but the long-term sales would have been better. Word of mouth to Death Standing has been vicious and I believe that a large part of it is because people simply aren't getting what they expected, with the biggest sticking point being the game's lack of combat. AAA games with a western art style are ALWAYS heavy on combat. It's expected.

I'm in the top 64 of the second chance bracket.
Something is wrong.

KamikazePotato posted...

the long-term sales would have been better.

They might be better relative to the early sales in this scenario but I doubt they're better than its actual sales.

The overall reception might have been better bc expectations were managed, but people just didn't want this style of game. Straight up. At least not the amount of people these AAA games usually appeal to.

And I LIKE the game, mind.

Dark Souls should win this whole contest. It's probably the only game that actually stands a chance given this place and its unhealthy obsession with Zelda

Breath of the Wild, Xenoblade Chronicles, The Witcher 3, and God of War (the new one) are the ones I have been expecting to be the strongest contenders. Out of those, I haven't played Witcher 3 yet (really should get on that I guess...), as I never could get into the first two games.

Breath of the Wild, as much as I'm a massive Zelda fan, as much as I enjoyed it, and despite spending 100's of hours on it, and also taking into account the near perfect reviews it got all around, I can't bring myself to vote for it, because I didn't like the lack of good and varied dungeons, the story was weak, I hated the breakable weapons mechanic, and I really rather wish they hadn't brought RPG mechanics into the franchise. Not because I don't like RPG's, I love them, but there are already so many good RPG's around, that I wish series that traditionally have been action-adventure games with very little RPG mechanics, could stay that way, as I love those types of games as well, and like to switch between the two, but these days action-adventure games that aren't semi-RPG's have become rare, while in the past they weren't, and that makes me kind of sad. All in all, I still like Ocarina of Time, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess more than Breath of the Wild.

As for Xenoblade Chronicles, that's imo the best JRPG ever made, I loved it to bits, and thought it was darn near perfect (disliked X though...), but it already got to shine in the previous decade, and there's another game I personally enjoyed more, so...

Which brings me to my own personal pick, the new God of War. I enjoyed it like crazy (even though, yes, I know, it's another case of a traditionally action-adventure only franchise adopting some RPG mechanics). I've replayed it countless times now. I can't wait for the sequel. Which is funny in a way, because I think every single one of the older God of War games don't come anywhere close, and I've platinumed all of them. My vote would never go to any of those in the later parts of a competition like this. They really took things up several levels and revolutionized the franchise for the better with the new game imo. Of course I know not everyone agrees, which is fine. I think God of War might have gone further if it wasn't pitted against Witcher 3 so early. I never really expected it to actually win though, much as I'd like that, so it's fine.

Skyrim and Dark Souls are of course also very high tier games and I've always expected them to go far in the competition, but not quite as far as the other games I mentioned. But I might be wrong. For the record I haven't played any of the Dark Souls games yet, and Skyrim probably isn't my thing, as Elder Scrolls 4's gameplay bored me to death.

At this point I personally kind of expect The Witcher 3 to win. None of the games I've mentioned are games that would make me shake my head if they win the entire contest. I'm totally cool with that. Mario Kart games and Super Smash games though?... :-/ I mean, I've played the majority of all the games in both of those franchises, mostly with friends, and still do occasionally, and enjoy them quite a bit, Smash in particular, but I think such games are too simple for GOTD or even GOTY stuff.

Sharinnegan posted...

Uncharted 4 wasn't nearly as well received as we'd expect from naughty dog's level of critical renown back in the UC2 days

I believe Death Stranding won more awards than Uncharted 4 at the respective game awards of their years.

also that was a while back. general opinion on ND games have further fallen off since then. its still very good mind you, but its not anywhere near the "these guys are the peak of video game development!" sentiment that once enveloped the gaming community

Naughty Dog hasn't made a good game since Sly Cooper.

KamikazePotato posted...

I disagree. The up-front sales would have been less but the long-term sales would have been better. Word of mouth to Death Standing has been vicious and I believe that a large part of it is because people simply aren't getting what they expected, with the biggest sticking point being the game's lack of combat. AAA games with a western art style are ALWAYS heavy on combat. It's expected.

nah i disagree. It was just a bad game with a good concept.

the story was completely awful with metaphors thrown in all over the place and forced serious themes that never really go anywhere outside of silly shock values. Most characters are poorly written outside of a couple and the ending is one of the worst and laziest ive seen. I spent a good 12 hours on DS before watching the rest of the story and youtube and i wish i could have my time back

its got nothing to do with combat. SOTC was also a gsme that invoked isolation and unique world presence but did so without all the utter tedium and bloated crap DS has

for all the good things DS does and it does a few things well the gsme was just built around Kojima circlejerk Bulls*** that it ends up being bad.

the best thing about DS is the meditative experience of just wandering around the world delivering packages and connecting with others through a unique tool that lets you help others. But everything around the game is filled wi ttu nonsensicap Bs that it overshadows and hinders the main experience.

ive heard the americans prefer shooters crap and its just an excuse by Kojima for a f***ing vanity project with lazy ass game design.

Dfy556 posted...

Naughty Dog hasn't made a good game since Sly Cooper.

TLOU and Uncharted 2 were great. But their best is Jak and Daxter

Man, what a disappoint TLOU has been this entire contest. Dark Souls looks pretty good here as well.

I missed the beginning of the match but it's wild to me that it was even close at some point. The Skyrim/Pokemon board vote and current percentage seems to be pretty much on par with expectations, though.

LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

I'm in the top 64 of the second chance bracket.
Something is wrong.

same but my gamble on not overrating BOTW paid off.

Dfy556 posted...

Naughty Dog hasn't made a good game since Sly Cooper.

Damn and they didn't even do that so I guess they never made a good game

TeslaCoi1 posted...

Which brings me to my own personal pick, the new God of War. I enjoyed it like crazy (even though, yes, I know, it's another case of a traditionally action-adventure only franchise adopting some RPG mechanics). I've replayed it countless times now. I can't wait for the sequel. Which is funny in a way, because I think every single one of the older God of War games don't come anywhere close, and I've platinumed all of them. My vote would never go to any of those in the later parts of a competition like this. They really took things up several levels and revolutionized the franchise for the better with the new game imo. Of course I know not everyone agrees, which is fine. I think God of War might have gone further if it wasn't pitted against Witcher 3 so early. I never really expected it to actually win though, much as I'd like that, so it's fine.

Thanks for your input. I also wasn't sure what to expect from the new GoW but was so pleasantly surprised with the experience. The world and characters are just meticulously crafted, as is the gameplay, which honestly works way better than a close-up third person melee action has any right working. It would be a worthy winner for me if not for spectacular games like BotW and Bloodborne cracking into my all-time rankings. It's certainly worthy of a seat at the table, in any case.

And as for the expected winner, any longtime contest follower in this community will tell you that it's Zelda. Witcher is the very distant #2, but it'll need a big rally to oust Zelda.

right now, if you dont believe TLoU's leaks affected it significantly inbetween rounds, Dark Souls's performance is putting it on par with 2015 Final Fantasy X, using Batman as the measuring stick.

If Skyrim keeps rising while the other match is static I'll feel pretty good about it getting to semis.

Which is good because I need it to be stronger than DkS and weaker than Witcher which is where it's lining up to be.

CaptainOfCrush posted...

Thanks for your input. I also wasn't sure what to expect from the new GoW but was so pleasantly surprised with the experience. The world and characters are just meticulously crafted, as is the gameplay, which honestly works way better than a close-up third person melee action has any right working. It would be a worthy winner for me if not for spectacular games like BotW and Bloodborne cracking into my all-time rankings. It's certainly worthy of a seat at the table, in any case.

I know right? :-) I loved the story as well. I'm one of those rare, weird gamers who actually values the combination of story, world building, setting, and characters of a game more than I do the actual gameplay. I love the old Legacy of Kain games for example. The new God of War satisfies me in all those aspects AND gameplay, so I love it.

And as for the expected winner, any longtime contest follower in this community will tell you that it's Zelda. Witcher is the very distant #2, but it'll need a big rally to oust Zelda.

Ah, I see. Well, that's fair enough I guess.

Hey Leon -- assuming TLoU = LoZ:LBW (and assuming no SFF in SSBU > LoZ:LBW), where do we land stat-wise?