Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1359

ctesjbuvf posted...

So you were all saying?

Seriously, blasting its rallies from the get go and usual trends in mind, Persona needed to be ahead now.

I got defeated in my own game

(for now at least)

MithosLowell posted...

the only pokemon game relevant is RBY

metroid prime and super would best every other pokemon comfortably.

in fact prime and super would beat most mario games that arent snes nes or n64 ones

I mean yeah congrats Super Metroid beats the 5th strongest Mario game?

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

I would take Fire Emblem over Metroid with 80% before I would take Metroid over Mario.

Did you see how Samus performed in the last Character Battle? Or Super Metroid blowing out Galaxy before almost defeating a genuinely strong ZELDA game in the Best Game Ever contest? Metroid is very legit on this site, despite the lack of strong new games.

I think of a "real" game contest this way: there's a sea of Nintendo and Square games that aren't super notable, but would beat a lot of games just on name recognition or general respect. games like DKC2, or Super Mario Kart, or Final Fantasy 4, or Mario Kart 8, or whatever. if you can't get over that general tier of games, you're probably not worth a spot outside of for diversity's sake. Dark Souls crosses that line. so does Persona 4/5. Xenoblade too. but Last of Us? ehhh I dunno. God of War, the same.

not saying you have to agree with me - that's just my take.

Last of Us pre-leak was a legit game. Not amazing but a legit game. Who knows anymore.

You're way overestimating DKC2 though. That game is not strong and would lose to everything you listed.

But I don’t think DKC2 is that game. It lost badly to SotN. It loses to TLoU (pre-leak anyway), Dark Souls, God of War, and it’s not close.

Anclation posted...

Did you see how Samus performed in the last Character Battle? Or Super Metroid blowing out Galaxy before almost defeating a genuinely strong ZELDA game in the Best Game Ever contest? Metroid is very legit on this site, despite the lack of strong new games.

The strongest Metroid beating the at best 5th strongest Mario game is not evidence than the Metroid series beats the Mario series.

1 user fell off the Top 50. mariomaster0 did not have both BotW and SSBU winning.

17 users fell off the Second Chance Top 50. polkamon26, Towelie1727, afroken99, legolas95, TheBorlax, fortybelowsumme, heavylobsterguy, Menji, Yuri_LowelI, Shoxfan11, Xcarvenger, Latias, Latios, Roserade, Alcremie, Frosmoth and 130strike were not able to keep their pace up.

Yeah, the sequel is going to tank the entire franchise, but that performance against Dark Souls wound up being decent despite the leaks.

God of War should age well, though. That director seems to have a good grasp of what fans want, so I doubt it will be sullied by its sequels.

you know what finished well ahead of DKC2 in 2015

The Last of Us

DKC2 finished 75th in the 2015 X-Stats

it would do well in this contest but it's not the destroyer of worlds you're making it out to be

I hope you're right about DKC2. I dislike those games!

I feel like you could dump dozens of random 90s games that would rock this contest. Sonic 2, Mega Man X, Tetris, Oracle of Ages, Xenogears, etc. RE2 is one such example and it almost won its division.

I remember when we dumped a decently popular 90s game in a bracket quarter with a bunch of modern games.

SMRPG won pretty much effortlessly.

Anyone else think Witcher is going to SFF Skyrim badly? Could be ugly

DKC2 would deserve to be a top ten game in this contest!

I mean yes, classic 2-D platformers and RPGs from the 90s would all finish in the top third of the X-Stats, but they wouldn't crush the contest

DKC2 barely beat a handheld Fire Emblem and Xenoblade before it really took off

LeonhartFour posted...

you know what finished well ahead of DKC2 in 2015

The Last of Us

DKC2 finished 75th in the 2015 X-Stats

it would do well in this contest but it's not the destroyer of worlds you're making it out to be

Yeah, DKC2 was the one little bit of high fodder from the SNES/Genesis era that made it to 2015 and got a good path to Round 3. It is the actual greatest game of all time, but its the anamoly of the SNES pack from last time around.

Now, you take the next weakest SNES game from 2015 (which I think is Mega Man X), and it destroys TLOU with no debate.

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

I remember when we dumped a decently popular 90s game in a bracket quarter with a bunch of modern games.

SMRPG won pretty much effortlessly.

Super Mario RPG is a really strong game though!

it would legit be a top 10-15 game on this site if it had any sort of European presence

So what would the experts say on the current results? Persona 5 can win? or its done?

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

The strongest Metroid beating the at best 5th strongest Mario game is not evidence than the Metroid series beats the Mario series.

Fair enough, on second thought I was probably getting a bit too excited by Metroid's rise and Mario constantly jobbing to Zelda and Smash. Zelda-Smash-Pokemon (only thanks to RBY)-Mario-Metroid seems like the right order. What's the next couple of Nintendo series afterwards tho?

Witcher should be fine.

Skyrim might be screwed. The rallies, oddly enough, are helping Dark Souls. Anime fans are the type to be wise to “f*** Bethesda” and vote accordingly.

for all of the antihype about Last of Us, the opposite can be said about Xenoblade (and no one is saying it). Xenoblade remaster is literally the only Nintendo game on record as coming out in 2020. the only one. I wonder if it stays as strong in future years.

DQXI is stronger than RE2 right?

Witcher is not gonna drop this. That update was really strong too, it's not looking much back from here.

Mega Man X was like #22 in the 2015 stats. That game is a beast in any contest setting.

Sonic 2 barely beat Portal 2 so it's not a worldbeater. Xenogears isn't that great either. Tetris maybe. Oracle of Ages, probably not after A Link Between Worlds did just 'okay'.

transience posted...

for all of the antihype about Last of Us, the opposite can be said about Xenoblade (and no one is saying it). Xenoblade remaster is literally the only Nintendo game on record as coming out in 2020. the only one. I wonder if it stays as strong in future years.

I imagine I'm not the only one who will be playing Xenoblade for the first time on Switch because it's finally easily accessible

You're being unfair calling RE2 a random '90s game that almost won its division, and I say this also not liking DKC2 (Returns on the 3DS was one of my disappointments of the decade too).

MithosLowell posted...

Anyone else think Witcher is going to SFF Skyrim badly? Could be ugly

Yes, unless Skyrim starts blowing out Dark Souls.

fun fact: the original RE2 and DKC2 were near equals in 2015!

ShortReplies posted...

So what would the experts say on the current results? Persona 5 can win? or its done?

Unless Atlus tweets out "Make Persona 5 win this contest and we'll port it to Switch," Witcher is winning.

KamikazePotato posted...

Mega Man X was like #22 in the 2015 stats. That game is a beast in any contest setting.

Sonic 2 barely beat Portal 2 so it's not a worldbeater. Xenogears isn't that great either. Tetris maybe. Oracle of Ages, probably not after A Link Between Worlds did just 'okay'.

Actually, I should have said FF4, which was only #38, but that still probably beats most of the field here without a sweat.

transience posted...

for all of the antihype about Last of Us, the opposite can be said about Xenoblade (and no one is saying it). Xenoblade remaster is literally the only Nintendo game on record as coming out in 2020. the only one. I wonder if it stays as strong in future years.

Far more people finally getting the chance to play Xenoblade thanks to the remake should only make the game stronger. Xenoblade had horrible availability issues to contend with in the US, along with being a very late Wii game.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Witcher should be fine.

Skyrim might be screwed. The rallies, oddly enough, are helping Dark Souls. Anime fans are the type to be wise to “f*** Bethesda” and vote accordingly.

What about Witcher 3 rallies, if they had one would they vote for Skyrim or Dark Souls?

Funnily enough 2020 RE2 actually looks a little bit stronger than 90s RE2

LeonhartFour posted...

I imagine I'm not the only one who will be playing Xenoblade for the first time on Switch because it's finally easily accessible

you'll really like it! Xenoblade is great.

HaRRicH posted...

You're being unfair calling RE2 a random '90s game that almost won its division, and I say this also not liking DKC2 (Returns on the 3DS was one of my disappointments of the decade too).

well, I don't mean it negatively - just that there are dozens of games from that era that would clown this contest, and RE2 just happens to be the one we got. RE1 would also look pretty good in this contest, I'd wager.

These Persona rallies are helping Dark Souls more than Persona.

snake_5036 posted...

Unless Atlus tweets out "Make Persona 5 win this contest and we'll port it to Switch," Witcher is winning.

Lol!

ShortReplies posted...

What about Witcher 3 rallies, if they had one would they vote for Skyrim or Dark Souls?

Skyrim.

transience posted...

for all of the antihype about Last of Us, the opposite can be said about Xenoblade (and no one is saying it). Xenoblade remaster is literally the only Nintendo game on record as coming out in 2020. the only one. I wonder if it stays as strong in future years.

For better or worse, the next time we see Xenoblade won't be the same Xenoblade we're seeing here. People are finally going to have a reasonable way to play the game. That hopefully will help.

MithosLowell posted...

Anyone else think Witcher is going to SFF Skyrim badly? Could be ugly

Provided Skyrim gets there, yes. I'm gonna feel a little pathetic when I'm one of the final Gurus eliminated by a 60/40.

Actually, it might be 60/40s for all of our individual 24-hour matches - again, assuming Skyrim gets there, which is no guarantee at this point!

This site prides itself of been stuck in the SNES era and DKC2 is not strong? For shame.

Gall posted...

These Persona rallies are helping Dark Souls more than Persona.

Are we even getting much rally input? You could tell me that this is everyone's natural strength and I wouldn't think any of it.

transience posted...

well, I don't mean it negatively - just that there are dozens of games from that era that would clown this contest, and RE2 just happens to be the one we got. RE1 would also look pretty good in this contest, I'd wager.

it depends on what you mean by "clown"

could something like FFIV win some of these divisions? sure

is it going to 60/40 everything other than like the top 5-10 games? no

Anclation posted...

Far more people finally getting the chance to play Xenoblade thanks to the remake should only make the game stronger. Xenoblade had horrible availability issues to contend with in the US, along with being a very late Wii game.

Leon mentioned recently that he thinks Xenoblade fans are the biggest 'go big or go home' fanbase out there and this is honestly why. If the fanbase didn't Go Big with their vocal love and support of the game, we don't even get the game localized. Or get Shulk in Smash, or two sequels, or an HD Remake. It's series that has built itself itself up bit by bit through sheer perseverance and quality.

lordjers posted...

This site prides itself of been stuck in the SNES era and DKC2 is not strong? For shame.

DKC2 is as strong as a platformer where none of the characters have even vague amounts of popularity can be.

transience posted...

I hope you're right about DKC2. I dislike those games!

I feel like you could dump dozens of random 90s games that would rock this contest. Sonic 2, Mega Man X, Tetris, Oracle of Ages, Xenogears, etc. RE2 is one such example and it almost won its division.

The only one of those that might breach the top ten is Mega Man X, which looked not THAT much stronger than pre-leak TLoU. And MMX is the seventh strongest SNES game no? And Oracle of Ages? Come on.

Also 2019 RE2>1998 RE2, and that game still lost to possibly the weakest division winner.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Skyrim.

I used to witness huge s***talk between Skyrim and Witcher fans back in the day, in 2015-2016, they are rivals and imo Witcher fans vote for Dark Souls. But i take your word for it, you seem to know better.

Do we have first hour vote comparisons?

Curious how much these rallies are actually taking effec or if it's just noise

lordjers posted...

This site prides itself of been stuck in the SNES era and DKC2 is not strong? For shame.

Being a platformer and being a Donkey Kong game is not a good combination on this site.

Sad for Persona, oh f*** it Persona 5 is better than witcher (and yeah you can come with me all hate, im dying with this opinion 🤣)

However my biggest surprise is that people might put Dark Souls to win over Skyrim, i know Bethesda is s*** right now but Skyrim was still an amazing game, really surprised really.

If there is any Chance Persona might Recover tell me Guys, at least it went in the Quarter Finals which is big for me and for a more Niche Series.

Team Rocket Elite posted...

For better or worse, the next time we see Xenoblade won't be the same Xenoblade we're seeing here. People are finally going to have a reasonable way to play the game. That hopefully will help.

this is an extreme case, but remember that Smash/Mario series match? it looks worse after Brawl releases than before. hype is a weird thing.

Gall posted...

These Persona rallies are helping Dark Souls more than Persona.

well it depends. Witcher might be legit THAT much stronger so the rallies are sort of just keeping things closer. Whereas the gap between skyrim and souls is mucc smaller