Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1367

So this is all Melee's fault

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3456-division-3-round-1-ff3-mega-man-x-ps-iv-zelda-la

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6116-best-game-ever-day-17-round-2-mega-man-x-vs-final-fantasy-x

What do we think FFX would get on LA in a 1v1?

We're assuming nothing changed in six years (besides losing 70,000 voters) and/or there was nothing wonky about that 4-way at all if we're playing transitive property there.

Eh, we could ask what we think LA would get on MMX 1v1 nowadays too

Final Fantasy X was clearly weaker in 2015 than in 2009/10. And Majora's Mask largely legitimized its GOTD performance in 2015.

Mac Arrowny posted...

Eh, we could ask what we think LA would get on MMX 1v1 nowadays too

I feel like it's more likely that Link's Awakening was the mirage in 2009 than FFX or MM was in 2010.

MMX got SFFd by LA

or by FFVI...!

who even knows

I think there was too much 4-way shenanigans to know how much MMX was affected in that match. Regardless, I'd argue that Link's Awakening is legit (even if I wouldn't take it over FFX). I know people like to point that it's a Gameboy game, but it's THE Zelda Gameboy game and it's not like handheld games can't have strength, look at Pokemon RBY, GSC and Tetris.

With that said, a 128-game 90s bracket will have a boring first round because we have so many top end games destroying the fodder games. As for the question on whether the weakest 90s games will be weaker than the weakest 00s or 10s, I think they may.

The 00s had a pretty good roster, like besides Guitar Hero II and WWF No Mercy (which was the guru nomination), I don't think Ocarina of Time would break 90% against any other game in that bracket in 2010 (outside of SFF). The 10s were quite a bit weaker where OoT would probably break 90% against over two dozen entrants.

Off the top of my head, I'd expect Genesis games like Gunstar Heroes and Phantasy Star IV making the bracket which could be weaker than everything in GotD2. PC games outside of a select few are not exactly "GameFAQs approved" but will likely have a spot in the contest. Even among the successful consoles there will be weak entrants as we'll be pushing for 25-30 games for the SNES and Playstation and possibly 15-20 for the Nintendo 64.

Favorite GameCube game poll:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/8645-

Uh oh Wind Waker leading at the freeze

Melee might need to rally

Wind Waker > Melee

LAW

Lol Sunshine dropping after getting re released. Guess actually playing it tanked some of its nostalgia.

Melee wins by a few percent in the U.S. and Canada and gets about doubled in most of Europe huh

Then again Tales of Symphonia is beating TTYD here when it didn't do so in the actual contest so yeah.

Are TTYD and Sunshine hurting each other?

TTYD is from an actual Nintendo IP so a heavily Nintendo poll like this probably hurts it more than Symphonia.

Mac Arrowny posted...

Lol Sunshine dropping after getting re released. Guess actually playing it tanked some of its nostalgia.

Well yeah it probably doesn't help for people to replay it 20 years later and realize "oh wait this game actually isn't good"

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6060-best-game-ever-day-3-paper-mario-tyd-vs-tales-of-symphonia

Also yeah Symphonia benefits from standing out in this poll but we've seen how it goes head to head

Melee took quite the hit though given its worldwide vote distribution, it could still finish ahead of Wind Waker.

Mac Arrowny posted...

Lol Sunshine dropping after getting re released. Guess actually playing it tanked some of its nostalgia.

This is a bit of a cheap shot. It dropped half a percentage after the votals were almost halfed? That's definitely within the uncertainties of each poll.

It ain't going up either though

Did we expect anyone on this site to play any of the three games for the first time in that release?

I voted TTYD, but I’m not positive any of these would be my favorite. I wonder if 64 will be hurt any by the re-release. Probably not, but goddamn that game aged incredibly poorly camera/control wise and I just didn’t have much fun with it on the Switch. Was a favorite of mine on the N64 so it’s sad it doesn’t hold up to me

ctesjbuvf posted...

Did we expect anyone on this site to play any of the three games for the first time in that release?

It doesn't have to be the first time.

I'd expect other weird nostalgia games to do worse if they actually became more accessible

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6148-best-game-ever-day-25-round-3-smash-bros-melee-vs-kingdom

This wasn't even a good performance in 2015.

And considering how this poll went in 2014 vs now:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5632-13-years-after-its-original-release-whats-your-all-time
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/8645-what-is-your-all-time-favorite-gamecube-game
Maybe Melee still beats Wind Waker 1-on-1 and I'm not sure Twilight Princess has what it takes but I don't envy Melee's chances against Majora's Mask or Super Metroid.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Did we expect anyone on this site to play any of the three games for the first time in that release?

We were talking about people who played it before playing it again and coming to realize that it sucks, not people playing it for the first time.

It's not a great performance if you believed Melee is better than a top ten game on the site. KH2 is legit.

KHII is legit but TP having outperformed Melee on it is probably not a great look for the latter:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4184-southeast-division-final-zelda-twilight-princess-vs-kingdom

Think I'd take the top ten to be:
Ocarina of Time
Chrono Trigger
Final Fantasy VII
Breath of the Wild
Pokemon RBY
Link to the Past
Super Mario 64
Super Mario World
Super Mario Bros. 3
Final Fantasy VI

That was a TP that also got 48% on Brawl, so it was one of the strongest games in that contest. It's dipped since then, but TP was strong out of the gate.

That being said, I do think Melee gets a little weaker with every Smash release. It's certainly had more staying power than Brawl or Smash 4, but I imagine there's a sizable portion of the gamer base who leaves Melee with each new Smash and never comes back.

Then why should it go up then?

I'm not buying that anyone had it as their favorite gamecube game before (of the selection) and now "realized" it sucks. It's basically constant.

I was surprised Wind Waker was winning, but now that I think about it it makes sense. It's gotten rereleases, unlike Melee, and has more staying power since each Smash games becomes obsolete thanks to the next one. Melee's immune to that a bit, but nobody's going to go back to it the way they do with a game like Wind Waker.

It's not like Wind Waker was ever far behind Melee. GotD suggests indirectly it would be a 55/45 match, possibly closer while in 2015, given its performance against FFVI, Wind Waker may have already been stronger at that point.

In these types of heavy SFF/LFF polls it's difficult to get a proper hierarchy.

charmander6000 posted...

I'd expect Genesis games like Gunstar Heroes and Phantasy Star IV making the bracket which could be weaker than everything in GotD2.

I think they can beat Baba is You and Fortnite pretty easily

Leonhart4 posted...

Well yeah it probably doesn't help for people to replay it 20 years later and realize "oh wait this game actually isn't good"

Not a whole lot worse than the best Mario games tbh.

It's a lot worse

I played it and 64 in a close span of time in 2014.

Not saying I don't understand why it's so divisive, game has plenty of annoying stuff in it.

pjbasis posted...

I think they can beat Baba is You and Fortnite pretty easily

I think it will be hard to find anything that losses to Fortnite without a rally on this site. It’s one of those games that us old geezers will antivote no matter what.

Progression of the poll:

2014:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/5632-13-years-after-its-original-release-whats-your-all-time
2017:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6836-16-years-after-its-original-release-whats-your-all-time
2018:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7203-what-is-your-all-time-favorite-gamecube-game
2021:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/8645-what-is-your-all-time-favorite-gamecube-game

Melee's decline fairly clear year-by-year.

There's also this from 2009:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3469-division-6-round-1-disgaea-fire-emblem-ssbm-zelda-ww
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/3489-division-6-round-2-diablo-iilod-halo-ssbm-zelda-ww

I still think Melee would handle Wind Waker straight up in a contest setting if it came down to it. We've seen before that PotD results don't line up with contest performance (FFVI vs. FFVII)

Yoshi will beat Mario one of these days!

Just to ask something, does Super Mario World doing better against Final Fantasy VIII than 64 did against FFT in 2015 indicate World > 64?

It would indicate Mario World benefited from the Undertale rally more than FFVIII did.

I'd still take Super Mario 64 over World, but that's just a preference pick at this point given we haven't seen World in a non-rallied match in 12 years.

Considering everything SNES back then, I'd lean towards World winning.

To be fair Mario 64 benefited from rally spillover against FFT.

Spillover isn't exactly the same as being there while the rally is active.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/79769488

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