Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1381

pjbasis posted...

Hopefully he wouldn't even get nominated in because who thinks of Mario when thinking of a villain?

Crono fans.

Leonhart4 posted...

Nah, it definitely had an impact, even just on B8. There were rallying cries of "we can't have Brawl be our best game of the decade," as if it'd be an embarrassing outcome for the site where a Tetris piece won a Character Battle.

Yes but I am of the impression that the contest could have been called whatever and the same people would still think it would be embarrassing to have Brawl as the winner. I don't think that's the same thing that seemed to boost BotW, Wichter, Dark Souls etc in GotD2, in particular with forced voting in that.

Brawl's anti voting noticeably started being loud after beating Melee.

KamikazePotato posted...

Problem is he still hierarchies Bowser and Ganondorf, and Sephiroth got 60-40d last time they met.

And yes this is what I meant by plenty of room to spare.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I don't think that's the same thing that seemed to boost BotW, Wichter, Dark Souls etc in GotD2, in particular with forced voting in that.

Those games didn't boost because of the contest, they were just strong and/or got stronger over the years.

I think the title of a contest can have a large effect on how people vote. In an extreme example, if the title was "most hated video game character", only a handful of voters will autopilot through and pick their favourites anyways. But, I'm not sure "Game of the Decade" really moves the needle much in terms of getting people to vote against the favourites. In a villain contest, I would definitely pick Bowser over Mario. Red vs Blue does better in a rival contest than a straight tag team.

TeamRocketElite posted...

In an extreme example, if the title was "most hated video game character", only a handful of voters will autopilot through and pick their favourites anyways.

You just reminded me that this was Allen's version of the Quotes Contest, an idea that he actually proposed to the board but never came to be

When was that again?

KamikazePotato posted...

Those games didn't boost because of the contest, they were just strong and/or got stronger over the years.

I disagree and I didn't even think there was a debate. Not that they didn't boost regardless, but they overperformed at times due to the contest title combined with forced voting. This isn't relevant in latter rounds, but in the early rounds. Ultimate not scoring the same blowouts as the rest of the strongest games is a good example. The lowest game of both round 2 and 3 in the x-stats being the BotW opponent is another good example.

Was that the contest where Allen pissed a bunch of people off by saying Raiden was eligible for worst character ever

And Tidus!

Worst. Character. Ever. was announced on March 24, 2015. So just over 10 years ago. And SBAllen had Krystal109 announce it.

It turns out that might have been better than the alternative of Undertale ruining a great contest...!

When it was cancelled SBAllen said:
"Because of this, we are going to bump up the upcoming Best Game Ever contest from the timeframe of "within a yearish of the mini-contest ending" to "sometime in 2015"."

If Undertale hype is given a year to die down, does SSBM win the contest?

TeamRocketElite posted...

When it was cancelled SBAllen said:
"Because of this, we are going to bump up the upcoming Best Game Ever contest from the timeframe of "within a yearish of the mini-contest ending" to "sometime in 2015"."

If Undertale hype is given a year to die down, does SSBM win the contest?

Ocarina probably beats Melee even with that rally.

when did Tumblr die off

Leonhart4 posted...

And Tidus!

Wait really, that's way worse then

Leonhart4 posted...

when did Tumblr die off

I think around 2018?

Edit:
Seems like it was declining since 2013.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Wait really, that's way worse then

Allen apparently thought this contest was taking place in 2001

Wasn't this the contest with CD-I Link in contention

For shame Allen

ctesjbuvf posted...

Wasn't this the contest with CD-I Link in contention

For shame Allen

How else would the LAW prevail

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2001-triforce-division-round-1-ganondorf-vs-giygas

Ganondorf was the overwhelming favorite to reach the finals in the bottom half of the bracket, and so it was no surprise that he put a massive beatdown on Giygas. Why didn't we have a Bowser vs. Ganondorf match set up in this contest again?

(Don't worry. Next year, I'll be wondering why we had Aerith vs. Zelda set up in 2006 instead of Tifa vs. Aerith followed by the winner facing Zelda!)

Well usually we complain when SFF matches like that get setup.

Because they usually set up the bad ones!

There are intriguing SFF matches. CJayC and Allen just never seemed to know which ones those were!

(Except for setting up the Metal Gears to face each other in GotD and 2015, good job, Allen, even if SotC ruined it the first time)

Bowser vs. Ganondorf would be more interesting than either semifinal for sure.

Luigi's gotten a few good SFF matches. Bowser, Kirby, Ganondorf, and Yoshi were all interesting to see.

Ganondorf usually gets boring ones, sadly.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2002-triforce-division-round-1-ansem-vs-cats

There was some debate over what CATS was capable of entering this contest as someone whose existence is basically an internet meme since relatively few people actually played Zero Wing. There was some debate that he actually had a vote ceiling, that there was a limited number of votes he was even capable of getting.

Either way, Ansem was a hefty favorite, with an Oracle average of around 65% here. When the match started, CATS jumped out to his early board vote fueled lead, but then something bizarre happened: He didn't drop off. He stayed in the lead. In fact, his lead got as high as 178 votes before Ansem finally made a push.

However, it was two hours into the match before Ansem actually caught up to CATS, and it was expected that he would just take the lead and pull away. Once again, CATS surprised us and fought back. The match was essentially 50/50 for the next three hours.

When the morning vote arrived and the kiddies woke up, Ansem finally pulled away for good, but CATS had left his mark. Another surprise was seeing that Ansem only had a 55% overall prediction percentage.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2003-triforce-division-round-1-dr-robotnik-vs-sin

For those of you who remember Tai (of "TAI'D UP AND HANGED" fame), this match may have been his magnum opus (or whatever the opposite of that is). He was loudly insistent that Sin was going to win this match easily because it's the main villain of a super popular FF game. Plus, who really cares about Robotnik?

To be clear, Tai was not the only person picking Sin here. It had a small amount of support on the board, and Robotnik only had a 55% prediction percentage sitewide. However, he was definitely the loudest and the only one calling for a decisive victory.

The crazy thing is that Sin may have won if not for that awful match pic, which is literally just a screen grab of its fin from a boss fight early in the game. It's hard to know how much it impacted the final result, but when the margin is a mere 2000 votes, you have to wonder.

As for the match itself, Robotnik was actually over 60% for the first thirty minutes, and then the percentage gradually dropped from there. Actually, Robotnik's lead peaked at 2500 a little more than halfway through the match, so Sin managed to shave off around 500 votes in the second half.

now that's doubling and a half today

Robotnik > Not Robotnik

Leonhart4 posted...

The crazy thing is that Sin may have won if not for that awful match pic, which is literally just a screen grab of its fin from a boss fight early in the game. It's hard to know how much it impacted the final result, but when the margin is a mere 2000 votes, you have to wonder.

I believe it. Sin would've gone on to beat Master Hand, too, so it was a 3 point match pic.

In fairness, I don't think a good match picture for Sin the Fin really was in the cards. Yeah, it could have been better for Sin, but Robotnik was always going to look like a million bucks next to whatever ended up in the right side of the pic.

Yeah, I think getting a decent picture for Sin would have been difficult, especially considering how relatively small match pics were back then (they got progressively bigger as contests went along).

unless they cheated and used a picture of Jecht instead

You do know Tai and maplejet are the exact same human being, right?

Actually kinda stunned Jecht never made it back

guy did what his son couldn’t: make it to round 3

Highway robbery that Tidus never got the kind of four pack KOS-MOS got that one year.

Or the fourpack Jecht got

Tidus was seeded very well and then drew Sub-Zero thst year right. Very unlucky.

LeonhartFour posted...

Yeah, I think getting a decent picture for Sin would have been difficult, especially considering how relatively small match pics were back then (they got progressively bigger as contests went along).

The villains contest had a lot of dodgy match pictures, and I'm pretty sure half the reason we have a black background in round 1 was because it was the background on the source images for a lot of the lower tier villains.

These days, there's some decent options for Sin, but just like Kefka, that's largely due to spinoff games and remasters. And they still would look like s*** next to any piece of official art for Eggman/Robotnik.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Highway robbery that Tidus never got the kind of four pack KOS-MOS got that one year.

To be fair, Tidus has been given what were thought to be reasonable chances multiple times, he's just completely imploded each time.

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

To be fair, Tidus has been given what were thought to be reasonable chances multiple times, he's just completely imploded each time.

Let's see. Which contests was he reasonably expected to have a chance to reach the third round?

2005 - Gets whipped by Kirby powered by the Nintendo Boost
2007 - Loses to Pikachu before we knew Pokefear was a thing
2010 - Really his best shot

I'd say 2003 since he was technically really close but I don't think he was given much of a chance by the board to actually beat both Ganondorf and Magus

2003 Tidus wins all of those. Felt annoying to see him to out to a joke entry twice.

He has some unfortunate draws.

Gotta put Knuckles and Tidus in a four pack once if contests ever come back

they probably lose if someone like Kratos is in that pack I guess

Gotta put them in a fourpack against other characters who won't be likely to upset them

It's a shame we never got to see a Knuckles sprite in a match pic

Well Knuckles beats Tidus for sure.

He is the Square Killer, after all

(unless he's facing Squall)

Do you think that result could flip now? I worry it could, though it happening in round 1 would be amusing at least.

I wouldn't be surprised at this point, especially with the power of the movies behind Knuckles now (assuming it gives him a noticeable boost).

Leonhart4 posted...

Let's see. Which contests was he reasonably expected to have a chance to reach the third round?

2005 - Gets whipped by Kirby powered by the Nintendo Boost
2007 - Loses to Pikachu before we knew Pokefear was a thing
2010 - Really his best shot

I'd say 2003 since he was technically really close but I don't think he was given much of a chance by the board to actually beat both Ganondorf and Magus

In 2005 Tidus was such a heavy favorite to make round three that he was even still the favorite over Kirby in the Oracle after King of All Cosmos exposed him as a total fraud.

Well, this was back when we still thought Tidus was a near elite. That ended with the loss to Kirby.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/841-who-is-your-favorite-final-fantasy-x-character

Looking back, it's wild that we ever thought Tidus could beat Auron. I know POTDs don't perfectly translate to contests, but that's such a lopsided result that it should've been hard to ignore.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/1445-who-is-your-favorite-all-time-final-fantasy-hero

Also we really need a poll like this one again.

Does Clive beat Noctis in an updated rerun?

Tidus might have been near elite. That Ganondorf result is really darn good looking back.

He also looked good in 2002 against probably the strongest Sonic has ever been.