Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1383

Leonhart4 posted...

Outside of Brawl/Melee and the last few matches, perhaps no result this contest produced more complaints and dissatisfaction than this one.

to this day

I didn't even know what Golden Sun was going into that match. Actually even today the only thing i know about it is the assist trophy from Smash.

Golden Sun / GTA was a big moment of vindication after the Add/Remove debacle.

Not a good decade for GTA fans.

Leonhart4 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6148-best-game-ever-day-25-round-3-smash-bros-melee-vs-kingdom

Anyone who says Chrono Trigger wasn't on pace to lay a beatdown on Melee akin to what it did to FFX either has forgotten or conveniently neglects to mention this match. KH2 got nearly 45% on Melee and FFX ain't losing to KH2.

Oh Chrono Trigger was going to destroy Melee. It was obvious before the rally and the only question is if it would beat FFX’s percentage.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6149-best-game-ever-day-26-round-3-final-fantasy-vi-vs-zelda-the

Behold the last time Final Fantasy beat Zelda in a Games Contest match! 70% of Gurus had FFVI here, but Wind Waker put up a solid performance in defeat. It's tough to put up a big number on Zelda one-on-one, no matter who you are.

Damn wind waker was that close? Did that game get stronger or something or is ffvi not as strong as I expected

Wind Waker is pretty strong. I think even by 2015, the backlash against Celda had long since gone away.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4151-south-division-round-2-star-wars-kotor-vs-fire-emblem

This is the game people removed Golden Sun for in 2009 in a match with two other Nintendo games already in it. It's rather fitting that Fire Emblem goes down meekly to KotOR the day after Golden Sun scores a big win.

TeamRocketElite posted...

Wind Waker is pretty strong. I think even by 2015, the backlash against Celda had long since gone away.

If you told younger/newer Zelda fans that Wind Waker once sparked a backlash due to its art style, they'd be really confused. That was definitely an early 2000s sort of moment.

Leonhart4 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4151-south-division-round-2-star-wars-kotor-vs-fire-emblem

This is the game people removed Golden Sun for in 2009 in a match with two other Nintendo games already in it. It's rather fitting that Fire Emblem goes down meekly to KotOR the day after Golden Sun scores a big win.

Not just any Nintendo game, but f***ing Melee was among those games. The game that flat out brought Fire Emblem to the west. Golden Sun wouldn't have done much better, but that is the absolute last spot I would toss Fire Emblem in at that time.

TeamRocketElite posted...

Wind Waker is pretty strong. I think even by 2015, the backlash against Celda had long since gone away.

Cel shading is good when done well. That game has arguably the worst graphics that have ever happened with it, especially on the ocean.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6150-best-game-ever-day-26-round-3-smash-bros-wii-u-vs-final

FFVII puts up another strong performance headed into the showdown against FFVI. I don't think anyone really doubted it was going to win despite that POTD, but it had looked pretty good so far.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4152-south-division-round-2-persona-3-vs-final-fantasy-ix

FFIX puts up a solid performance on Persona 3. It had a set path this contest, so there isn't much to say about its matches.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6151-best-game-ever-day-27-round-3-pokemon-red-blue-vs-sonic-the

This result is dumb and it probably contributed to some people underestimating Portal 2 in GotD2.

That was a same day UNDERTALE match lol. We weren't going to get a good read here, but given how dominant the 90s games were all across the board this contest, being virtually equal to Sonic 2 was a sign of strength here.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4153-southwest-division-round-2-resident-evil-4-vs-gta-vice-city

Resident Evil 4 started off at 70% but Vice City slowly bled it the rest of the match to make this result a little less embarrassing.

As a stats nerd, rally spillover annoys me almost as much as the main rally focus. At least with the main focus you know to disregard the entire match if it gets out of hand. Spillover can result in some things that are just a few percent off...probably. Who knows? Have fun guessing.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6152-best-game-ever-day-27-round-3-undertale-vs-super-mario-world

Props to the 11 optimistic Oracle pickers who actually thought Mario World was going to win. You know how this goes. Mario World goes up big. The rally starts. Undertale wins easily. So exciting and unpredictable.

I love FUN.

Wind Waker > FFVI was an upset special of mine that didn't pay off. I guess FFVI is from the era that boosted thr most this contest, so it was stronger than I thought while Wind Waker did indeed look good.

Just didn't feel right picking FF over Zelda to me.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4154-southwest-division-round-2-dead-rising-vs-persona-4

Persona 4 was the clear board favorite going into this and had a Battle Challenge Contest pick advantage, too. Only 27% had Persona 4 getting this far though.

Persona 4 jumped out to a 350 vote lead, but around halfway through, Dead Rising took the lead. However, it couldn't get its own lead much above 100 votes, and two hours later, Persona 4 reclaimed the lead and pulled away for a close victory.

Crazy that this was so close to begin with. If you run this back today i doubt Dead Rising comes close to P4.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6153-best-game-ever-day-28-round-3-skyrim-vs-metroid-prime

78% of Gurus had Skyrim winning here, but it was only a slight favorite in the Oracle by match time. The combination of Metroid's excellent early vote and Skyrim's bad one allowed Prime to build a 450 vote lead overnight. Once the morning vote hit, Skyrim erased the lead in a few hours and pulled away from there for a 734 vote win.

That match was kind of depressing for me. Like, at the time Skyrim was basically the pinnacle of modern western games, and it's struggling with Metroid Prime? Fallout 3 actually outperformed it in the same matchup back in 2010! Really felt like OldFAQs was more prevalent than ever.

Thankfully we've gotten more western standouts since then with Witcher 3, Baldur's Gate 3, and probably Clair Obscur soon. Breath of the Wild is also a modern game that managed to beat an older counterpart, although it's not western.

KamikazePotato posted...

That match was kind of depressing for me. Like, at the time Skyrim was basically the pinnacle of modern western games, and it's struggling with Metroid Prime? Fallout 3 actually outperformed it in the same matchup back in 2010! Really felt like OldFAQs was more prevalent than ever.

Thankfully we've gotten more western standouts since then with Witcher 3, Baldur's Gate 3, and probably Clair Obscur soon. Breath of the Wild is also a modern game that managed to beat an older counterpart, although it's not western.

33 was made by the French, kind of. Does that actually count as western these days?

France is considered western, yes

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4155-southwest-division-round-2-portal-vs-final-fantasy-xii

Portal was a heavy favorite by the time of the match, but the Oracle average was only 53.65% here. It was hard to imagine a Final Fantasy game getting stomped like this by a western game, but nothing is too difficult for FFXII. Portal had nearly 65% at the freeze and 62.50% at the end of the first hour. It took over nine hours for FFXII to get the percentage under 60% and make this performance slightly less embarrassing.

UltimaterializerX posted...

33 was made by the French, kind of. Does that actually count as western these days?

Ubisoft was always French and we all considered Rayman and Assassin's Creed western

Metroid Prime is a western game too, albeit not a modern one.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6154-best-game-ever-day-28-round-3-super-mario-64-vs-zelda

I believe this is the worst loss a Zelda game has suffered one-on-one that didn't involve a rally or another Zelda game, and we weren't even surprised by it.

Metroid Dread won GotY as a Western game

I hesitate to call japanese published games as strictly western.

Damn SM64 vs. TP should have been the first real SFF beatdown for Zelda

Thankfully that didn't happen

pjbasis posted...

I hesitate to call japanese published games as strictly western.

Sure, but they still are. Tomb Raider 2013's a western game, even if Square published it.

Leonhart4 posted...

I believe this is the worst loss a Zelda game has suffered one-on-one that didn't involve a rally or another Zelda game, and we weren't even surprised by it.

And yet it somehow managed to look pretty good imo.

Metroid is not western, even if it's western developed. Nothing with the Nintendo branding is going to be considered western by voters or fanbases.

Which is also kinda the point! This is about as bad as you can make a major Zelda game look without shenanigans!

Leonhart4 posted...

Which is also kinda the point! This is about as bad as you can make a major Zelda game look without shenanigans!

Does rally spillover count as shenanigans? Which game does Tumblr prefer?

Also this is the worst a Zelda game had lost with those criteria. Probably also without them barring some 2009 SFF result maybe

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/7987-division-3-round-2-super-smash-bros-ultimate-vs-zelda-link

I guess you could call that SFF as well though, but I am not sure there was.

MacArrowny posted...

Sure, but they still are. Tomb Raider 2013's a western game, even if Square published it.

yeah but it shows you there aren't just two buckets to put these things in. Tomb Raider 2013 is far more western than Metroid Dread. Eidos is already a european subsidiary of square, and on the wikipedia page there are only western names under director and producer. Dread on the other hand still has Sakamoto as a lead producer and another Nintendo guy as some kind of co-director

TP was probbaly helped very slightly by the spillover (or does it really have a better board vote?). No big difference for sure. Almost consistent the whole way through.

KamikazePotato posted...

Metroid is not western, even if it's western developed. Nothing with the Nintendo branding is going to be considered western by voters or fanbases.

Do voters really care whether a game is western or not, though? I don't think Clair Obscur would be more popular here if it were a Japanese game developed by ex-Square staff.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4156-southwest-division-round-2-skies-of-arcadia-vs-mass-effect

Skies of Arcadia fans were just happy that this game made round two of a contest. Please remake (or even remaster) this game, Sega!

MacArrowny posted...

Do voters really care whether a game is western or not, though? I don't think Clair Obscur would be more popular here if it were a Japanese game developed by ex-Square staff.

It's just an observation that Japanese games tend to be more popular than western ones. So when something like Portal does really well, it feels like a benchmark for western gaming in a way that the success of something like Metroid Prime or Donkey Kong Country just doesn't really count for.

pjbasis posted...

It's just an observation that Japanese games tend to be more popular than western ones. So when something like Portal does really well, it feels like a benchmark for western gaming in a way that the success of something like Metroid Prime or Donkey Kong Country just doesn't really count for.

Basically yeah.

Leonhart4 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/4156-southwest-division-round-2-skies-of-arcadia-vs-mass-effect

Skies of Arcadia fans were just happy that this game made round two of a contest. Please remake (or even remaster) this game, Sega!

I'd settle for a barebones port!

EDIT: Actually, 'Barebones Port' sounds like a cool Skies of Arcadia location.

KamikazePotato posted...

Metroid is not western, even if it's western developed. Nothing with the Nintendo branding is going to be considered western by voters or fanbases.

Is the Mario movie an anime?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6155-best-game-ever-day-29-round-3-zelda-ocarina-of-time-vs-final

This was the second red flag in a row for Ocarina of Time. It couldn't beat Final Fantasy IX by more than Chrono Trigger beat Final Fantasy X.

What a final that could've been.